Do You See a definite satanic Inluence In Strident Homosexuality?

[Yeshua1]

That makes no sense. How can the ORIGINAL not be the natural?



Again, that makes no sense. If they haven't left God's original design, then they would be considered free of sin.



Again, this is true of ALL sin.



Will be true of ALL sinners who don't repent of their sins andaccept Jesus as Lord and Savior.



How do you turn to lusts that aren't there? If hey weren't there, you couldn't turn to them.

ALL sin entered the world with the first sin. It's ALL unnatural. Folks just want this one to be more unnatural than the rest for apparently their own personal reasons.

Apostle paul calls active homosexuality an abomination, unnatural, going against created function and order of God, so he saw that sinning as something more then "natural sex sinning!"

Agree that ALL sexual activity outside of marriage sinful behaviou, but active homosexuality seems to belabeled as worst of the worst!

 

[Yeshua1]

Here's how:
Rom 1:20-32
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, 30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, 31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
(KJV)

Seems that the Holy Spirit regrads active Homosexuality as being in soem fashion graver and worse than othersexual sins such as fornication/adultery, as while wrong and sin, those are 'natural"

 

[Zaac]

Apostle paul calls active homosexuality an abomination,

And God calls other things likewise abominations.

unnatural, going against created function and order of God, so he saw that sinning as something more then "natural sex sinning!"

NOPE. That's just what YOU think.

Agree that ALL sexual activity outside of marriage sinful behaviou, but active homosexuality seems to belabeled as worst of the worst!

Again that's just what you and a lot of folks who have adopted this as a pet sin want to believe. Scripture simply doesn't identify it as such.

 

[Zaac]

Seems that the Holy Spirit regrads active Homosexuality as being in soem fashion graver and worse than othersexual sins such as fornication/adultery, as while wrong and sin, those are 'natural"

Why do you keep trying to speak for the Holy Spirit and God? That's YOUR belief. Scripture shows no such thing.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Actually, it does. Lot offering his daughters up to be gang-raped comes to mind. Sodom was not destroyed because of hetero-sexual fornication.

 

[Yeshua1]

Why do you keep trying to speak for the Holy Spirit and God? That's YOUR belief. Scripture shows no such thing.

So when the Holy Spirit Himself calls homosexual behaviour unnatural and a perversion of the natural created functions between man and woman, are you saying that he does not know what he is talking about then?

 

[Yeshua1]

Actually, it does. Lot offering his daughters up to be gang-raped comes to mind. Sodom was not destroyed because of hetero-sexual fornication.

Good point!

that behaviour of theirs seemed to once again indicate homosexuality judged as the worst of sexual sins!

 

[Zaac]

So when the Holy Spirit Himself calls homosexual behaviour unnatural and a perversion of the natural created functions between man and woman, are you saying that he does not know what he is talking about then?

I'm saying you don't know what you're talking about because you're trying to take that and make homosexuality the only unnatural sin when all sin is unnatural.

 

[Yeshua1]

I'm saying you don't know what you're talking about because you're trying to take that and make homosexuality the only unnatural sin when all sin is unnatural.

God said that it was unnatural, do you think that he was wrong saying that?

 

[Zaac]

Actually, it does. Lot offering his daughters up to be gang-raped comes to mind. Sodom was not destroyed because of hetero-sexual fornication.

Just another lie that folks have come to tell because they want that one sin to be worse than all others as Yeshua seems to think.

Scripture says :
20 Then the Lord said, “The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous 21 that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know.” Gen. 18:20-21

6 The Lord said, “If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.”

27 Then Abraham spoke up again: “Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, 28 what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five people?” GEn 18:27-28

 

[Zaac]

God said that it was unnatural, do you think that he was wrong saying that?

Why are you asking about what God said? It's in print. I said what YOU said was wrong.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

:laugh: What part of my statement is a lie ?

We all know what you want that scripture to say, Zaac. The Bible simply doesn't say what you are saying.

Given that, and the fact you are ignoring legit questions you don't like, I think you're just trying to be divisive.

 

[just-want-peace]

Zaac's statement re: God's word: quoted, analyzed or both --TRUE

Other's statement re: same: quoted, analyzed or both -- FALSE

ANY MORE CLARIFICATION NEEDED!!!!:sleep::sleep::sleep:

 

[canadyjd]

....And I'm curious as to why folks in the church always make so big a deal about this one sin and feel the need to convince everybody that it's somehow the worst sin of all time?

First of all, the worst sin of all time was the murder of our Lord Jesus Christ.

There is a massive, organized, worldwide propaganda effort to push homos*xuality as "normal", and "natural" behavior; our children are being targeted by this effort (beginning is preschool), which has resulted (over the past 25-30 years) with major changes in public opinion... especially among young adults, into acceptance of this behavior. This is seen in same-s*x marriage being accepted across the country and even in "churches" that claim the name of Jesus Christ.

In a recent poll (I can't remember the sponsor or the exact details) a large percentage (perhaps over 50%-60%) of 18 - 25 year olds who self identified as evangelical Christians stated they believed the Bible was true in everything it said except for the condemnation of homos*xuality.

That, I believe, is a direct result of this propaganda effort.....minimize the natural repulsive response...

....It's just like all other sins, like lying or fornication or adultery or skipping church to watch a football game or lusting in your heart for a woman..or gluttony and so on and so on...

....which is nothing more than an effort to shut down condemnation by shutting people up with the "your a hypocrite" argument.

There are countries where evangelical Christians are persecuted for "hate-speech" because they speak out against homos*xuality. There are people in this country who lose their jobs for stating their opinions on the subject. There are churches that are targeted by homose*ual groups because they won't perform g*y marriages.

So, to answer your question, why do some Christians make such a big deal about this "one" sin.... because they recognize this is a major battle... perhaps THE major theological battle of our generation.

 

[Jon-Marc]

I believe that Satan is the originator of all sin, and his desire is that since he can't destroy God, he will do all he can to destroy mankind and particularly Christianity.

 

[righteousdude2]

Don't you know by know that arguing with the "Z-man"

:laugh: What part of my statement is a lie ?

We all know what you want that scripture to say, Zaac. The Bible simply doesn't say what you are saying.

Given that, and the fact you are ignoring legit questions you don't like, I think you're just trying to be divisive.

Is like.....

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You just can't win....save your fingers, and prevent early onset Carpal Tunnel Syndrome

 

[Yeshua1]

Why are you asking about what God said? It's in print. I said what YOU said was wrong.

So you DO agree with God that no person can claim to have been saved by jesus, and still commit continuelly/habitual homosexual behaviours, without any remorse or seeing need to change and come out from it?

 

[Zaac]

So you DO agree with God that no person can claim to have been saved by jesus, and still commit continuelly/habitual homosexual behaviours, without any remorse or seeing need to change and come out from it?

Please show me where God says this. I fully agree with God's word. I disagree with your penchant for adding to God's word. Show me where HE says what you just said and we'll be on the same page.:thumbsup:

 

[Yeshua1]

Please show me where God says this. I fully agree with God's word. I disagree with your penchant for adding to God's word. Show me where HE says what you just said and we'll be on the same page.:thumbsup:

1 cor 6:9-11 Asv
Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,

10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.

Those saved by grace of God stop habitualling/continualing sinning in homosexual behaviours, as that evidences their conversion was true!

 

[Zaac]

1 cor 6:9-11 Asv
Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,

10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

11 And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.

The above does not say what YOU said below:

So you DO agree with God that no person can claim to have been saved by jesus, and still commit continuelly/habitual homosexual behaviours, without any remorse or seeing need to change and come out from it?

Those saved by grace of God stop habitualling/continualing sinning in homosexual behaviours, as that evidences their conversion was true!

Perhaps you are talking about another Scripture because the one you mentioned doesn't mention anything about habitual or continuous sin being evidence of someone's conversion.