Dobson editing radio show to avoid 'hate crimes' laws

[KenH]

If the world tells us that we can't call homosexuality a sin (ie...what it is) we should all stand on the street corners shouting that homosexuality is a sin.

How about Christians standing on the street corners and shouting that things such as gluttony, gossiping, etc., are sins?

It seems like some Christians(not talking about you, Martin) get so hung up on the sin of homosexual acts that they lose sight of what they evidently think are "lesser" sins.

 

[Martin]

How about Christians standing on the street corners and shouting that things such as gluttony, gossiping, etc., are sins?

It seems like some Christians(not talking about you, Martin) get so hung up on the sin of homosexual acts that they lose sight of what they evidently think are "lesser" sins.

I agree, but let's keep the discussion in context. The US government is not likely to put people in jail or fine anyone for saying that gossiping and gluttony are wrong. The government usually seeks to defend immoral behaviors that have become politically correct. As Christians, we have to stand up against ALL sin (even our own) no matter the cost.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Just an fyi that the following is a defense or exception to the hate propaganda law in Canada.

Canadian Criminal Code : PART VIII OFFENCES AGAINST THE PERSON AND REPUTATION - Hate Propaganda
...
(b) if, in good faith, the person expressed or attempted to establish by an argument an opinion on a religious subject or an opinion based on a belief in a religious text;
...

Many of the claims made by the WND article are false because of this defense.

 

[KenH]

Thank you for that information, Gold Dragon. The Religious Right in the United States seems to always be looking for an excuse to claim that Christians are being persecuted or are about to be persecuted in this coutry.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Thank you for that information, Gold Dragon. The Religious Right in the United States seems to always be looking for an excuse to claim that Christians are being persecuted or are about to be persecuted in this coutry.

In fairness to the Religious Right, that exception was a late addendum to the original bill C-250 which added sexual orientation to the list of groups that qualify under hate propaganda because of insistence from the Religious Right in Canada.

 

[Mike McK]

No. It means you can't preach against sin.

Sin is hateful to God.

Do you not believe in carrying God's message to the world? Strange view for a Christian.

Sadly, it's not that strange these days.

I just got an infraction on ChristianForums (LaodiceanForums) for pointing out the obvious inconsistencies with a poster who claims to be a Christian, yet told me he thinks God's word is "absurd".

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Sadly, it's not that strange these days.

I just got an infraction on ChristianForums (LaodiceanForums) for pointing out the obvious inconsistencies with a poster who claims to be a Christian, yet told me he thinks God's word is "absurd".

Perhaps what he really said is that your interpretation is absurd. Hate is not a value that should be espoused by any Christian...but what is really sad is that many exhibit just that.

 

[KenH]

I just got an infraction on ChristianForums

Christian Forums is privately owned. It hardly equates to the government censoring you.

 

[Mike McK]

Perhaps what he really said is that your interpretation is absurd.

No, what he really said is that he believes God's word is absurd.

 

[hillclimber1]

Well, for the few that see this as an ongoing encroachment or attack on Christian values, what can be done? Of all the influential believers out there, I see only Dobson willingly speaking out for Christian ethics today.

It is very disheartening to me to see many of the community on here choosing to attack the messenger, while disregarding the message.

 

[Mike McK]

Christian Forums is privately owned. It hardly equates to the government censoring you.

That's right, Ken. Now, perhaps you might trying reading my post. If you do, you'll see that I never said anything about the government or censorship.

 

[just-want-peace]

That's right, Ken. Now, perhaps you might trying reading my post. If you do, you'll see that I never said anything about the government or censorship.

You will also notice that the left decries any mention of censorship as being just a "fundamentalist, or right-wing paranoia".

It's daily becoming more & more PC to criticise any adherent of literal biblical teaching, and many of the comments on this board are evidence of such.

'Course there will be many vehement denials of such, claiming that "You're just trying to condemn anyone who doesn't believe as you do", or some such garbage.

But the leftist versions of His word continue to be further & further from what He really says; again just witness many of the comments on this board.

Is it any wonder that we now face the political choices now available, given the moral and spiritual atmosphere in this country?

 

[KenH]

That's right, Ken. Now, perhaps you might trying reading my post. If you do, you'll see that I never said anything about the government or censorship.

I never said you did.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Not to fight Mike's battles, but it sure did look to me like you did. But perhaps credibility & honesty just can't be in the Obama supporter's list of assets.

 

[KenH]

Well, if I did, it was not intentional.

 

[dragonfly]

Not to fight Mike's battles, but it sure did look to me like you did. But perhaps credibility & honesty just can't be in the Obama supporter's list of assets.

Not to fight KenH's fight, but can you make a comment without belittling someone?

 

[webdog]

Was that a kettle or pot I heard clanging again?

 

[Dragoon68]

So if you can't preach hate, it's persecution?

The problem with this kind of limitation in the name of "hate crime" is that it has nothing to do with crime but rather just an attempt to silence all objection. Satan just hates to be put down in the name of Christ. It's the Word of God that offends him and his followers the most because he can't be supreme or even equal before it. Equality of all religions is a step in his plan of bringing down Christianity. There are already many "Christian" churches who preach little of Christ and much of man. The insulation of the church from the state is falling apart by the misuse of the power of the state. What is Christianity without Christ as its one and only center? What message is there if any other message is made equal - even by silence - from the mouths of Christians?

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Not to fight KenH's fight, but can you make a comment without belittling someone?

Not to answer for Curtis' but no, he can't. If there is ever any doubt about anyone's intent, he assumes to worst and goes on the attack. Happens time and again.

Shameful for a Christian...even worse for a bluegrass fan. :laugh:

 

[windcatcher]

My take on this is that Dobson is doing in Canada what he must do to continue to have his program continued and be aired. It's either that or shut down his ministry there.... and there is more to the Word of God and its instruction than one topic of interest .....eh hmmmm "sin".

Recently I heard on the radio of two men, one is a reporter and the other is a minister: I don't know which is which.... didn't catch that part.... but the minister is a citizen of the United States being prosecuted in Canada under Canadian law of 'hate speach.' Just what he said and in what country he said it.... I don't know... but its my understanding that our government is cooperating and refusing to intervene in any way: Both men are on my 'prayer list' as both are being prosecuted for the hate speech and, I trust, they both have real needs whether 'guilty' by Canadian law or not. Their names are Mark Steyn an d Paul Williams. I tried to google but nothing came up.... (may try this again).

My personal opinion and position is that God gave us speech and intended it to be free: This is the basis for its protection under our constitution. God (for those like me who receive God's word as final) has also made us responsible for every word we speak, whether foolish or hateful, false or true. We are told to present ourselves in such a way that if any have ought to say against us.... it is because of our presenting the Word of God. I present myself and my opinion..... and so does everyone else..... but this is not always under the governance or guidance of God's word.... and when we do we are subject to criticism from those who are unforgiving, or in a position to properly rebuke, or out side the faith and jubilant that a 'just' opportunity presented itself.

If we truely believe God, then we will always be responsive to His Word, and willing to present it in season and out of season regardless of consequences, regardless of criticism: If we yield God's Word to the slave master of a man-made law, then we have made ourselves the servant of man and not God. But we owe no man the right to judge our conscience in such matters..... only God is our judge and He plainly tells us who our accusers are!