Doctor told to list cause of death as covid 19

[Revmitchell]

Diamond And Silk

 

[KenH]

Yeppers.

 

[Wingman68]

And the good news is seasonal flu deaths have fallen to zero. According to CDC, deaths were down 15% overall in March as compared three previous year statistics. Puzzle me that.

 

[Revmitchell]

And the good news is seasonal flu deaths have fallen to zero. According to CDC, deaths were down 15% overall in March as compared three previous year statistics. Puzzle me that.

Ummm....they are only down because the flu deaths are falsely being counted as covid 19 deaths

 

[Gold Dragon]

Ummm....they are only down because the flu deaths are falsely being counted as covid 19 deaths

This year’s flu season in the US was already the 2nd highest in the last decade in terms of influenza confirmed hospitalization.

Weekly U.S. Influenza Surveillance Report (FluView)



If you say all those covid19 cases in hospital are actually influenza on top of those cases, then this is an epic influenza season that needs lockdowns and social distancing to get under control.

 

[church mouse guy]

And the good news is seasonal flu deaths have fallen to zero. According to CDC, deaths were down 15% overall in March as compared three previous year statistics. Puzzle me that.

Social distancing reduced a lot of disease spread by everyday living. About a third of American never wash their hands so maybe a couple of people started washing their hands. Very few have N95 masks, which would have saved almost all lives.

 

[Revmitchell]

This year’s flu season in the US was already the 2nd highest in the last decade in terms of influenza confirmed hospitalization.

Weekly U.S. Influenza Surveillance Report (FluView)

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If you say all those covid19 cases in hospital are actually influenza on top of those cases, then this is an epic influenza season that needs lockdowns and social distancing to get under control.

Sigh

 

[Gold Dragon]

Sigh

You are trying to say that these deaths are being miscategorized for political reasons.

I’m saying that it doesn’t matter how you categorize them. You can call them the common cold if you want. But labeling them differently cannot hide the fact that people are getting sick and going to the hospital in vast numbers and a society that cares about its citizens needs to do something about it instead of trying to pretend it doesn’t exist.

 

[InTheLight]

The fact is that people are dying in hospital BECAUSE they got the virus. They are people with underlying conditions, yes, but if they hadn't got the virus they'd be alive people with underlying conditions that never would have gone to the hospital.

A person with asthma would not have died without catching the virus. They'd be a person with asthma.
A person with diabetes would not have died without catching the virus. They'd be a person with diabetes.

I don't know why I have to explain this to you.

 

[Use of Time]

Diamond And Silk

Its all just a big conspiracy Mitch. Everyone is actually just fine. Something about a liberal agenda.

 

[church mouse guy]

The Democrat media is false on all matters. For example, CBS ran their phony pictures of Italy again only this time it was called Pennsylvania:

It's not just your imagination: left-leaning outlets seem to be exaggerating the coronavirus crisis in the U.S. On Saturday, CBS News appeared to run footage from an Italian hospital in a segment about an outbreak in Pennsylvania. This came exactly two weeks after CBS News ran the same footage in a segment about the outbreak in New York on March 25.

ANOTHER 'Editing Mistake'? CBS News Again Airs Italy Hospital Footage in U.S. Coronavirus Segment

So the fact is that we do not have the time and money to determine exact causes and sometimes they say that even an autopsy will not offer an answer so the numbers are not scientific at all because we do not know exact causes of death and we have no idea how many people have had this thing.

We have been over these points several times with the Australians but there seems to be a language barrier larger than the great barrier reef. Maybe this is a kangaroo court. The Australian supreme court voted unanimously to overturn the conviction of a Roman Catholic cardinal so maybe everything has to get to the top first.

 

[Gold Dragon]

For example, CBS ran their phony pictures of Italy again only this time it was called Pennsylvania:

Sounds like incompetence to me. That footage must come up as the top hit in some video search engine they use.

What an devious plan. Use the same footage everyone already knows is from Italy to trick people. Very Dr. Evil. Mwahaha.

 

[Revmitchell]

The fact is that people are dying in hospital BECAUSE they got the virus. They are people with underlying conditions, yes, but if they hadn't got the virus they'd be alive people with underlying conditions that never would have gone to the hospital.

A person with asthma would not have died without catching the virus. They'd be a person with asthma.
A person with diabetes would not have died without catching the virus. They'd be a person with diabetes.

I don't know why I have to explain this to you.

You dont know that. Sorry

 

[Wingman68]

You are trying to say that these deaths are being miscategorized for political reasons.

I’m saying that it doesn’t matter how you categorize them. You can call them the common cold if you want. But labeling them differently cannot hide the fact that people are getting sick and going to the hospital in vast numbers and a society that cares about its citizens needs to do something about it instead of trying to pretend it doesn’t exist.

Who is doing that?! Emotional histrionics. It is what the left excels at. If we leave it to them you will see that their goal with this lock down has nothing to do with saving lives, if they were at all concerned about that they wouldn’t be trumpeting for abortion unendingly. They are willing to crash everything to wrest the power back from the people through fear. It has worked with the fence sitters on this board who always throw in with whichever side benefits them at the moment. You, however, are always pushing forward with the left’s agenda. Congratulations on your dedication, I admire dedication. You will not win me over no matter how many emotional feelies you put out for consumption here.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Who is doing that?

You’re telling me Revmitchell is NOT saying that Covid19 deaths are being miscategorized for political reasons?

If he is saying they are being categorized correctly then I would have no issues with his posts here.

 

[Deacon]

I’ve listened to the video.
He was sent a 7 page document saying to list pneumonia deaths with possible exposure as Covid 19.
Yes, it’s concerning.

BUT the question not answered was WHO SENT HIM THE DOCUMENT?

Was it an internal physicians office management decision based upon possible increased reimbursement?
Who? - - - never answered in the video!
Insurance, government Medicare policies and business management have increasingly stepped into medical decision making treating it as a “for profit” business.

Until that question is know conspiracy theorists can speculate all they want about why with abandon.

Rob

 

[InTheLight]

You dont know that. Sorry

Ummm...yes, I absolutely know that. A person with asthma goes to the ER with shortness of breath, coughing and has lost the sense of smell. Classic Covid-19 symptoms. The person is tested and found to have Covid-19. The person is hospitalized and subsequently dies. The cause of death is classified as Covid-19. Why would you have a problem with this?

 

[InTheLight]

I’ve listened to the video.
He was sent a 7 page document saying to list pneumonia deaths with possible exposure as Covid 19.
Yes, it’s concerning.

BUT the question not answered was WHO SENT HIM THE DOCUMENT?

Rob

THEY sent it, Rob.

THEY, did.

<you know. wink wink...>

 

[Gold Dragon]

I’ve listened to the video.
He was sent a 7 page document saying to list pneumonia deaths with possible exposure as Covid 19.
Yes, it’s concerning.

BUT the question not answered was WHO SENT HIM THE DOCUMENT?

Was it an internal physicians office management decision based upon possible increased reimbursement?
Who? - - - never answered in the video!
Insurance, government Medicare policies and business management have increasingly stepped into medical decision making treating it as a “for profit” business.

Until that question is know conspiracy theorists can speculate all they want about why with abandon.

Rob

It is probably this document from the CDC which is not at all saying what the conspiracy theorists suggest it is saying.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

Certifying deaths due to COVID–19

If COVID–19 played a role in the death, this condition should be specified on the death certificate. In many cases, it is likely that it will be the UCOD, as it can lead to various life- threatening conditions, such as pneumonia and acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS). In these cases, COVID–19 should be reported on the lowest line used in Part I with the other conditions to which it gave rise listed on the lines above it.

Generally, it is best to avoid abbreviations and acronyms, but COVID–19 is unambiguous, so it is acceptable to report on the death certificate.

In some cases, survival from COVID–19 can be complicated by pre-existing chronic conditions, especially those that result in diminished lung capacity, such as chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) or asthma. These medical conditions do not cause COVID–19, but can increase the risk of contracting a respiratory infection and death, so these conditions should be reported in Part II and not in Part I.

When determining whether COVID–19 played a role in the cause of death, follow the CDC clinical criteria for evaluating a person under investigation for COVID–19 and, where possible, conduct appropriate laboratory testing using guidance provided by CDC or local health authorities. More information on CDC recommendations for reporting, testing, and specimen collection, including postmortem testing, is available from: https://www. cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/hcp/clinical-criteria.html and https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/guidance- postmortem-specimens.html. It is important to remember that death certificate reporting may not meet mandatory reporting requirements for reportable diseases; contact the local health department regarding regulations specific to the jurisdiction.

In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely. However, please note that testing for COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible.

The guy in the video probably found it here in Minnesota’s dept of health death registration page.

Death Registration Information for Medical Certifiers - Minnesota Dept. of Health

 

[Deacon]

If it was the 7 page CDC document he’s just blowing wind.

Nothing really unusual there.

When determining whether COVID–19 played a role in the cause of death, follow the CDC clinical criteria for evaluating a person under investigation for COVID–19 and, where possible, conduct appropriate laboratory testing using guidance provided by CDC or local health authorities. More information on CDC recommendations for reporting, testing, and specimen collection, including postmortem testing, is available from: https://www. cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nCoV/hcp/clinical-criteria.html and https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/guidance- postmortem-specimens.html. It is important to remember that death certificate reporting may not meet mandatory reporting requirements for reportable diseases; contact the local health department regarding regulations specific to the jurisdiction.

In cases where a definite diagnosis of COVID–19 cannot be made, but it is suspected or likely (e.g., the circumstances are compelling within a reasonable degree of certainty), it is acceptable to report COVID–19 on a death certificate as “probable” or “presumed.” In these instances, certifiers should use their best clinical judgement in determining if a COVID–19 infection was likely. However, please note that testing for COVID–19 should be conducted whenever possible
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The CDC is asking physicians to use their own judgement in the matter of reporting Covid 19

Rob