Doctrine of Grace/Calvinisim In Hymns and Songs

[npetreley]

You that are longing to see His face,
Will you this moment His grace receive?

Calvinists would say, "Yes, you will, whether at this moment or later. There is no question about it."

Oh, and it really should be "You who are longing" not "you that are longing".

 

[Blammo]

Calvinists would say, "Yes, you will, whether at this moment or later. There is no question about it." (whether you believe or not?)

Oh, and it really should be "You who are longing" not "you that are longing".

Next time I write a hymn, I'll remember that. :thumbs:

 

[Rippon]

Written by Josiah Conder, 1789-1855
3rd verse added by Elder Roland Green (1994), 1924-
Arr. Elder Roland Green (1994), 1924-

MY LORD I DID NOT CHOOSE YOU

My Lord, I did not choose You, For that could never be,
My heart would still refuse You, Had you not chosen me.
You took the sin that stained me, You cleansed me, made me new;
Of old You have ordained me, That I should live in You.

Unless Your grace had called me, And taught my opening mind,
The world would have enthralled me, To heav'nly glories blind.
My heart knows none above You, For Your rich grace I thirst,
I know that if I love You, You must have loved me first.

Your love has been forever, From all eternity,
Its drawing power never Shall be withdrawn from me.
I feel that I am kept by The strength of love divine,
And when I wake in Heaven, All glory shall be Thine.

Thank you PinoyBaptist . This hymn is another that expresses my thoughts quite well regarding my salvation and 'decision-making powers' . On another thread "God Got The Memo" DHK wanted more info about my conversion et.al -- this hymn communicates what all true believers , not only Calvinists have experienced .

 

[David Lamb]

Thank you PinoyBaptist . This hymn is another that expresses my thoughts quite well regarding my salvation and 'decision-making powers' . On another thread "God Got The Memo" DHK wanted more info about my conversion et.al -- this hymn communicates what all true believers , not only Calvinists have experienced .

When I first glanced at the hymn, I thought it was unknown to me. However, I soon found that it is the one that in my hymn book has what I assume to be Conder's original words:

’Tis not that I did choose Thee,
For Lord, that could not be;
This heart would still refuse Thee,
Hadst Thou not chosen me.
Thou from the sin that stained me
Hast cleansed and set me free;
Of old Thou hast ordained me,
That I should live to Thee.

’Twas sov’reign mercy called me
And taught my op’ning mind;
The world had else enthralled me,
To heav’nly glories blind.
My heart owns none before Thee,
For Thy rich grace I thirst;
This knowing, if I love Thee,
Thou must have loved me first.

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But I do like the version quoted by pinoybaptist.

 

[Tom Butler]

Written by Josiah Conder, 1789-1855
3rd verse added by Elder Roland Green (1994), 1924-
Arr. Elder Roland Green (1994), 1924-

MY LORD I DID NOT CHOOSE YOU

My Lord, I did not choose You, For that could never be,
My heart would still refuse You, Had you not chosen me.
You took the sin that stained me, You cleansed me, made me new;
Of old You have ordained me, That I should live in You.

Unless Your grace had called me, And taught my opening mind,
The world would have enthralled me, To heav'nly glories blind.
My heart knows none above You, For Your rich grace I thirst,
I know that if I love You, You must have loved me first.

Your love has been forever, From all eternity,
Its drawing power never Shall be withdrawn from me.
I feel that I am kept by The strength of love divine,
And when I wake in Heaven, All glory shall be Thine.

This one is on page 289 of the SBC's Baptist Hymnal 1991.

This one is on p. 542. "In Loving Kindness Jesus Came."

2nd verse:

He called me long before I heard, before my sinful heart was stirred.
But when I took him at his word, forgiven, He lifted me.


And iin the Baptist Hymnal p.337 "I Know Whom I Have Believed"

I know not why God's wondrous grace to me He hath made known.
Nor why, unworthy, Christ in love redeemed me for his own.

v.2
I know not how this saving faith to me he did impart,
Nor how believing in His Word, wrought peace within my heart.

v. 3
I know not how the Spirit moves, convincing men of sin,
Revealing Jesus through the Word, creating fath in Him.

 

[Allan]

I guess God is not the only one that can raise the dead.

This thread has been dead since 08-02-06 :laugh:

 

[Rippon]

This thread has been dead since 08-02-06 :laugh:

Correction : It laid dormant after the last post of 08/02/06 . As of early today ( your time ) it was revived . It was latent for approximately 20 months .So we are speaking of only temporary inactivity -- not that I'm being technical about this or anything !

 

[webdog]

Correction : It laid dormant after the last post of 08/02/06 . As of early today ( your time ) it was revived . It was latent for approximately 20 months .So we are speaking of only temporary inactivity -- not that I'm being technical about this or anything !

Since Jesus' death was only for days...was that not considered a death and only "temporary inactivity", too?

 

[Rippon]

Since Jesus' death was only for days...was that not considered a death and only "temporary inactivity", too?

No that was a real death . With respect to revived threads no physical death is in view .

 

[PK]

Much of the doctrine in old hymns is not found as much in todays songs. I'm not saying the new songs are all bad. There is good and bad songs then and now. I thought it would be good to share songs you like the most, showing the writer of the song understood the Doctrines of Grace.

Here is one .....

I heard an old, old story,
How a Savior came from glory,
How He gave His life on Calvary
To save a wretch like me;
I heard about His groaning,
Of His precious blood's atoning,
Then I repented of my sins
And won the victory.


I heard about His healing,
Of His cleansing pow'r revealing.
How He made the lame to walk again
And caused the blind to see;
And then I cried, "Dear Jesus,
Come and heal my broken spirit,"
And somehow Jesus came and bro't
To me the victory.


I heard about a mansion
He has built for me in glory.
And I heard about the streets of gold
Beyond the crystal sea;
About the angels singing,
And the old redemption story,
And some sweet day I'll sing up there
The song of victory.


Chorus
O victory in Jesus,
My Savior, forever.
He sought me and bought me
With His redeeming blood;
He loved me ere I knew Him
And all my love is due Him,
He plunged me to victory,
Beneath the cleansing flood.


Any other songs claiming the doctrines of grace, that you would like to share, be they old or new? Please do.

Thanks..

In Christ..James

I agree with many here as well! I don't see anything about salvation through baptism or infant baptism as Calvin believed. Am I missing something?

 

[Jarthur001]

I agree with many here as well! I don't see anything about salvation through baptism or infant baptism as Calvin believed. Am I missing something?

Then you do well in not seeing those things for they are not there.

Nor is infant baptism part of Calvinism.
Nor is salvation through baptism part of Calvinism.
Nor is John Calvin Calvinism

So if you were looking for those things in order to find Calvinism, you are missing something and that is understanding.

Sorry about that.

 

[PK]

Then you do well in not seeing those things for they are not there.

Nor is infant baptism part of Calvinism.
Nor is salvation through baptism part of Calvinism.
Nor is John Calvin Calvinism

So if you were looking for those things in order to find Calvinism, you are missing something and that is understanding.

Sorry about that.

I'm sorry I thought Calvinism started with John Calvin?
"At whatever time we are baptized, we are washed and purified once for the whole of life" (Institutes, IV) - John Calvin
"By baptism we are engrafted into the body of Christ...infants are to be baptized...children of Christians, as they are immediately on their birth received by God as heirs of the covenant, are also to be admitted to baptism." (Institutes, IV) - John Calvin

Are you a Supralapsarian or a Sublapsarian?
I must just be mis-interpreting Calvinism? Maybe I should quote Pink or Fuller instead?

 

[Rippon]

I'm sorry I thought Calvinism started with John Calvin?
"At whatever time we are baptized, we are washed and purified once for the whole of life" (Institutes, IV) - John Calvin
"By baptism we are engrafted into the body of Christ...infants are to be baptized...children of Christians, as they are immediately on their birth received by God as heirs of the covenant, are also to be admitted to baptism." (Institutes, IV) - John Calvin

Calvinism doesn't mean that Calvinists subscribe to each and every particular of John Calvin . He was a great man who the Lord raised up for His purposes -- but he is not the be-all and end-all when it comes to Calvinism .Our theology does not stand or fall upon his teachings but that of Holy Writ . Most Calvinists here have read little to nothing of the man .

As Baptists we certainly do not agree with John Calvin's views upon the subject -- but he did not hold to baptismal regeneration .

Most of the beliefs espoused by John Calvin were expressed by scores of prominent men before Calvin's birth -- physical or spiritual .

 

[Jarthur001]

I'm sorry I thought Calvinism started with John Calvin

Then you have showed your thinking is wrong.

"At whatever time we are baptized, we are washed and purified once for the whole of life" (Institutes, IV) - John Calvin

This is not what has been tagged Calvinism. Again you only show you don't know what Calvinism is. Maybe you should ask a Calvinist and not a Calvin hater that has mislead you. Just a thought.

"By baptism we are engrafted into the body of Christ...infants are to be baptized...children of Christians, as they are immediately on their birth received by God as heirs of the covenant, are also to be admitted to baptism." (Institutes, IV) - John Calvin

1st..this statement is taken out of context.

2nd...this still is not Calvinism.

Now write it down this time. Calvinism is not John Calvin. The word Calvinism was made by those that hated Calvin's teachings. You must be one of them.

Are you a Supralapsarian or a Sublapsarian?

I'm none of these, but rather Infralapsarian

I must just be mis-interpreting Calvinism?

Yes you are. Thats OK I was wrong once too.

Maybe I should quote Pink or Fuller instead?

Pink is good as you might can tell I would feel. However, you can quote whoever you want, but you have shown by your quotes, you don't know Calvinism.

But stay there. Coming up at 11:00pm we have a show called..."As a Calvinist"...By Rippon

You don't want to miss it.

 

[Rippon]

But stay there. Coming up at 11:00pm we have a show called..."As a Calvinist"...By Rippon

You don't want to miss it.

Oh , no ! I have less than two hours to prepare !

 

[J.D.]

Oh , no ! I have less than two hours to prepare !

Rippon - I've got my dial set and I'm waiting for the show to begin.

 

[Jarthur001]

Oh , no ! I have less than two hours to prepare !

:saint: :saint:

What is the subject this week rip?

 

[PK]

:saint: :saint:

What is the subject this week rip?

How about:

Adoption
Predestination
Election
Foreknowledge

 

[Linda64]

"Whosoever" Meaneth Me

James E. McConnell, 1910

1. I am happy today, and the sun shines bright,
The clouds have been rolled away;
For the Savior said, whosoever will
May come with Him to stay.

* Refrain:
“Whosoever” surely meaneth me,
Surely meaneth me, oh, surely meaneth me;
“Whosoever” surely meaneth me,
“Whosoever” meaneth me.

2. All my hopes have been raised, oh, His Name be praised,
His glory has filled my soul;
I’ve been lifted up, and from sin set free,
His blood has made me whole.

3. Oh, what wonderful love, oh, what grace divine,
That Jesus should die for me;
I was lost in sin, for the world I pined,
But now I am set free.

Main subject: Invitation

Scripture: Revelation 22:17

http://library.timelesstruths.org/music/Whosoever_Meaneth_Me/

Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

BTW, Calvinism was not started by John Calvin....it began with Augustine (quoted 400 times by John Calvin in his Institutes on the Christian Religion)

 

[Rippon]

BTW, Calvinism was not started by John Calvin....it began with Augustine (quoted 400 times by John Calvin in his Institutes on the Christian Religion)

The Lord started Calvinism . Jesus was a Calvinist .Paul followed in his train .Augustine was a late-comer .