Doers/Fulfillers Of The Law

[MB]

13 …the doers of the law shall be justified...Ro 2

20 ...by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified... Ro 3
How do you harmonize the verses?

@canadyjd:

How do you harmonize the verses?

peace to you

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Short answer, this is apples and oranges, not a contradiction. Every heavenly born child of God is by nature a doer of the law:

13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:
14 (for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;
15 in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them); Ro 2

...they fulfill the law because God has put the golden rule (Matthew 7:12) in their heart:

8 Owe no man anything, save to love one another: for he that loveth his neighbor hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this word, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: love therefore is the fulfilment of the law. Ro 13

...and I'll leave off there.

Every man on earth sins. there is no perfect keeper of the Law. This must the reason no one is justified by the Law
MB

 

[Yeshua1]

13 …the doers of the law shall be justified...Ro 2

20 ...by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified... Ro 3
How do you harmonize the verses?

@canadyjd:
Well, MUST start from the premise that per God, NO flesh shall be justified in His sight by being doers of the law, for if break One Commandment, have broken them all!
How do you harmonize the verses?

peace to you

.....................................................

Short answer, this is apples and oranges, not a contradiction. Every heavenly born child of God is by nature a doer of the law:

13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:
14 (for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;
15 in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them); Ro 2

...they fulfill the law because God has put the golden rule (Matthew 7:12) in their heart:

8 Owe no man anything, save to love one another: for he that loveth his neighbor hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this word, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: love therefore is the fulfilment of the law. Ro 13

...and I'll leave off there.

 

[kyredneck]

How is that a reply?

I thought it adequate.

That simply kicked the can down the road.

In your mind, sure. I didn't expect you'd be satisfied with it, it's far too simple an answer for you and many other 'theologians' on this board.

You think there are born again Christians that love God and their neighbour perfectly all the time without ever transgressing a single point of the law?

For one thing we are not under the letter of the law:

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under law, but under grace. Ro 6

Another, God equips His children with agape to be 'doers of the law', in the spirit and not in the letter:

5 and hope putteth not to shame; because the love of God hath been shed abroad in our hearts through the Holy Spirit which was given unto us. Ro 5

And agape is powerful stuff:

8 above all things being fervent in your love among yourselves; for love covereth a multitude of sins: 1 Pet 4

8 Owe no man anything, save to love one another: for he that loveth his neighbor hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this word, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: love therefore is the fulfilment of the law. Ro 13

 

[Yeshua1]

@canadyjd evidently doesn't want to answer the question (I've asked three times).

Would anyone want to reply?:

By Paul's standard, have you fulfilled the law?


....and YES! I have fulfilled the law by Paul's standard.

Have you fulfilled it by the standard of Jesus, where every thought and deed were always confirming to the Law?

 

[kyredneck]

Have you fulfilled it by the standard of Jesus,

Yes. "All things therefore whatsoever ye would that men should do unto you, even so do ye also unto them: for this is the law and the prophets."

" Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: love therefore is the fulfilment of the law"

where every thought and deed were always confirming to the Law?

"I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see a different law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity under the law of sin which is in my members. Wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me out of the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I of myself with the mind, indeed, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes. "All things therefore whatsoever ye would that men should do unto you, even so do ye also unto them: for this is the law and the prophets."

" Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: love therefore is the fulfilment of the law"



"I delight in the law of God after the inward man: but I see a different law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity under the law of sin which is in my members. Wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me out of the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I of myself with the mind, indeed, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

None have ever kept the law as God demands, save for Lord Jesus

 

[kyredneck]

None have ever kept the law as God demands, save for Lord Jesus

k.

Don't know why you keep harping on that, it's pretty much common knowledge and I've never said otherwise.

 

[Yeshua1]

k.

Don't know why you keep harping on that, I've never said otherwise and it's pretty much common knowledge.

Unless one can keep the law as Jesus did, none will be justified by doing it!

 

[kyredneck]

Unless one can keep the law as Jesus did, none will be justified by doing it!

You got scripture that spells that out?

I've got scripture that says 'the doers of the law (those with the law written in their hearts) shall be justified'.

 

[Yeshua1]

You got scripture that spells that out?

I've got scripture that says 'the doers of the law (those with the law written in their hearts) shall be justified'.

We know that scriptures do not contradict each other, as God VERY clear that NONE save Jesus can kept the law in order to be justified that way!

 

[kyredneck]

We know that scriptures do not contradict each other

I believe I mentioned that in the OP.

as God VERY clear that NONE save Jesus can kept the law in order to be justified that way!

You're a little incoherent there, you have scripture that spells that out? Perhaps I can understand scripture even if I don't understand you.

I've got scripture that says 'the doers of the law (those with the law written in their hearts) shall be justified'. It doesn't say these justified doers of the law must keep the law ln the same manner as Jesus.

 

[Yeshua1]

I believe I mentioned that in the OP.



You're a little incoherent there, you have scripture that spells that out? Perhaps I can understand scripture even if I don't understand you.

I've got scripture that says 'the doers of the law (those with the law written in their hearts) shall be justified'. It doesn't say these justified doers of the law must keep the law ln the same manner as Jesus.

Jesus qualified that to keep the law, must be perfect in thoughts/words and in deeds, are you there yet?

 

[kyredneck]

Jesus qualified that to keep the law, must be perfect in thoughts/words and in deeds, are you there yet?

You are being very deceitful with your yammering, no where have I stated I'm perfect or that one can keep the law. You have absolutely no say so about who is justified to stand in the judgement, 'it is God that justifies' Ro 8:33. If by writing His law on their hearts qualifies/enables them as 'doers of the law', deal with it, and stop the yammering. It is God that justifies.

 

[kyredneck]

Even the Rabbinism of Christ's day had condensed the law to it's simplest terms:

“…Rabbinism is never weary of quoting as one of the characteristic sayings of its greatest teacher, Hillel (who, of course, lived before this time), that he had summed up the Law, in briefest compass, in these words: ‘What is hateful to thee, that do not to another. This is the whole Law; the rest is only its explanation…..” Life & Times - Edersheim

12 All things therefore whatsoever ye would that men should do unto you, even so do ye also unto them: for this is the law and the prophets. Mt 7

 

[Yeshua1]

You are being very deceitful with your yammering, no where have I stated I'm perfect or that one can keep the law. You have absolutely no say so about who is justified to stand in the judgement, 'it is God that justifies' Ro 8:33. If by writing His law on their hearts qualifies/enables them as 'doers of the law', deal with it, and stop the yammering. It is God that justifies.

ONLY way to get declared righteous by Holy God is to be found in Christ, placed into Him by faith!

 

[Yeshua1]

Even the Rabbinism of Christ's day had condensed the law to it's simplest terms:

“…Rabbinism is never weary of quoting as one of the characteristic sayings of its greatest teacher, Hillel (who, of course, lived before this time), that he had summed up the Law, in briefest compass, in these words: ‘What is hateful to thee, that do not to another. This is the whole Law; the rest is only its explanation…..” Life & Times - Edersheim

12 All things therefore whatsoever ye would that men should do unto you, even so do ye also unto them: for this is the law and the prophets. Mt 7

None have even been saved apart from Grace alone received thru faith alone!

 

[kyredneck]

None have even been saved apart from Grace alone received thru faith alone!

None have even been saved apart from Grace alone received thru faith alone!

Scripture please!

 

[kyredneck]

ONLY way to get declared righteous by Holy God is to be found in Christ, placed into Him by faith!

Whose faith?

 

[kyredneck]

None have even been saved apart from Grace alone received thru faith alone!

Where in scripture do I find all these 'alones' you robots like to tack on. Evidently you don't know the meaning of 'alone'.

 

[Yeshua1]

Where in scripture do I find all these 'alones' you robots like to tack on. Evidently you don't know the meaning of 'alone'.

What can we do at all to add to the finished atoning work of the Lord Jesus on the Cross?