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[Van]

What I wrote is accurate. You have not refuted what I wrote. And to quote myself:

"Prices shot up after the worldwide pandemic subsided and people started driving and flying again. Thus, the demand for crude oil went back up(which raises the price of gasoline and fuel oil), and, also, the demand for gasoline and jet fuel went back up. The price of gasoline dropped so much during 2020 because everyone was basically staying at home and not taking vacations and, in general, just not traveling much."

Repeating false claims does not rebut the evidence, your claims have been demonstrated false.

Price shot up under the Biden\/Harris administration policies.

People drove fewer miles per year in 2022 than in 2018.

Demand did increase after the temporary reduction in demand due to the biological attack from China, but since the price of gasoline shot up about 90%, when the demand remained less, as measured by miles driven, the explanation is bogus.

Compare the average price of gas the first two years of Mr. Trump to Mr. Biden, and you will fine the price went way up.

 

[Van]

"The term sour crude refers to any crude with sulphur content such that require special removal treatment. Although the term sour is defined in ISO 15156 / NACE MR0175 in basis of the H₂S (hydrogen sulphide) partial pressure in the production environment; however for practical terms any crude with more than 0.5% sulphur is consider sour and will require sulphur removal.

Sour crude is also associated to heavier crude as opposed to light sweet crude (with sulphur content below 0.5%. Light sweet crude is traditionally consider more expensive than heavier sour crude, this is because light sweet crude requires less processing and produces a slate of products with a greater percentage of value-added products, such as gasoline, diesel, and aviation fuel. Heavy sour crude was consider to be sold at lower prices than lighter sweeter grades because it produces a greater percentage of lower value-added products with simple distillation and requires additional processing to produce lighter products."

- source: The difference between sweet crude and sour crude - OGC Energy.

Did any of this word salad address the fact the price of both types is about the same, within $3.00 per barrel, an insignificant fraction of the price of a barrel being about $75.00.

 

[Van]

Are you calling me "godless", Van?

One again this advocate for the godless left tries to change the subject to me. This behavior is shameful, stop finding fault we me and address the truth, the Democrats are responsible for high gasoline prices, high inflation, high and unvetted border crossings, failing to prevent wars in Ukraine and Israel, and on and on.

 

[KenH]

The price difference at the start of 2023 was $6.75 a barrel.

The difference June 2022 was $9.20 a barrel.

It's narrowing now because of the demand for "sour oil".

Jon, as you can see, it can be very difficult for people without any knowledge to speak of in the oil industry, to understand oil refining economics.

I used to try to deal with this when gasoline prices would go up significantly with people who didn't understand that a significant rise in the price of oil causes a significant rise in the price of gasoline and diesel. They would try to argue that when the price of crude oil came down by some percentage that gasoline prices didn't come down by the same percentage. Of course, they were not taking into account that oil is only a portion of what makes up the price of gasoline, nor were they taking into account the cost of the actual refining process which would not have changed(including the costs of those accountants at the home office ), nor were they taking into account state and federal gasoline taxes which would also not have changed.

 

[Van]

Your timing is off.

The 2021 VMT reflects Feb 2020 to Jan 2021.
Miles driven significantly dropped.

The highest gas price average during this time was $2.24 a gallon.

The prices spiked in June 2022 ($5.032/gal).

"VMT[ [Vehicle Miles Driven] in 2021, which reflects February 2020 through January 2021, was the lowest since 2002. VMT then rebounded to nearly pre-pandemic levels in 2022. Thus the excuse above is malarkey.​

My timing is spot on. The price spiked with the miles driven remaining BELOW the miles driven when the price was $2.24 a gallon.

 

[JonC]

Jon, as you can see, it can be very difficult for people without any knowledge to speak of in the oil industry, to understand oil refining economics.

I used to try to deal with this when gasoline prices would go up significantly with people who didn't understand that a significant rise in the price of oil causes a significant rise in the price of gasoline and diesel. They would try to argue that when the price of crude oil came down by some percentage that gasoline prices didn't come down by the same percentage. Of course, they were not taking into account that oil is only a portion of what makes up the price of gasoline, nor were they taking into account the cost of the actual refining process which would not have changed(including the costs of those accountants at the home office ), nor were they taking into account state and federal gasoline taxes which would also not have changed.

Another problem is the "sheeple" who want to simplify every good effect to their political party and every bad effect to the opposing party.

Today people do not want facts or explanations. They only want usable propaganda.

You know much more about the oil industry than I will ever know. But it only took me sitting here on my phone .... at work ... reading several reports to see you posted facts.

Politics don't care about truth. I learned this decades ago. Politics cares about power at any cost. And that is what you have been arguing against with Van.

 

[JonC]

"VMT[ [Vehicle Miles Driven] in 2021, which reflects February 2020 through January 2021, was the lowest since 2002. VMT then rebounded to nearly pre-pandemic levels in 2022. Thus the excuse above is malarkey.​

My timing is spot on. The price spiked with the miles driven remaining BELOW the miles driven when the price was $2.24 a gallon.

No. You are making things up.

The price spiked when the miles driven increased. The highest fuel price of $2.24 a gallon matches time with low miles driven. The spike was June 2022. The low miles driven was Feb 2020 to Jan 2021.

Only part of this is due to an increase in driving. Biden also stopped importing Russian oil.

 

[KenH]

You know much more about the oil industry than I will ever know. But it only took me sitting here on my phone .... at work ... reading several reports to see you posted facts.

Thank you, sir.

 

[Van]

The price difference at the start of 2023 was $6.75 a barrel.

The difference June 2022 was $9.20 a barrel.
It's narrowing now because of the demand for "sour oil".

The price difference is less than $3.00 per barrel, but gas still costs

However under Mr Trump the average price for a gallon of gas was about $2.60 cents, and under Mr. Biden, about $3.60 cents.

Question, what is being done to upgrade our oil refining capacity under the Biden/Harris war on fossil fuel.?

 

[Van]

No. You are making things up.

The price spiked when the miles driven increased. The highest fuel price of $2.24 a gallon matches time with low miles driven. The spike was June 2022. The low miles driven was Feb 2020 to Jan 2021.

Only part of this is due to an increase in driving. Biden also stopped importing Russian oil.

The miles driven did NOT increase above the level when gas cost $2.24. Full stop

 

[KenH]

Today people do not want facts or explanations. They only want usable propaganda.

Yep. So many people don't want to hear your opinion, they want to hear their opinion coming out of your mouth.

Also, a president is similar to an NFL quarterback. When things go wrong, even if he is not responsible for it, he takes the blame. If he fails on the final drive of the game and his team loses, 38-40, he gets blamed for not coming through at the end, even though the offense scored 38 points and the defense is the one what gave up 40 points.

Or, like a pitcher in MLB, when an error by someone else in the field allows the winning run to score - the run may not be charged to his ERA, but his win/loss record is charged with a loss.

When someone is president and something bad happens outside of his control, he cannot expect the opposition party to say, "Oh, that's okay, it's not your fault."

 

[JonC]

The price difference is less than $3.00 per barrel, but gas still costs

However under Mr Trump the average price for a gallon of gas was about $2.60 cents, and under Mr. Biden, about $3.60 cents.

Question, what is being done to upgrade our oil refining capacity under the Biden/Harris war on fossil fuel.?

I don't think Harris will do anything to upgrade our capabilities. This would require pipelines. And the DNC is pretty much committed to transitioning to alternate fuels.

 

[KenH]

your claims have been demonstrated false.

No, they have not.

 

[JonC]

The miles driven did NOT increase above the level when gas cost $2.24. Full stop

Did not decrease.

The time you said prices increased with few driving never existed.

 

[JonC]

Yep. So many people don't want to hear your opinion, they want to hear their opinion coming out of your mouth.

Also, a president is similar to an NFL quarterback. When things go wrong, even if he is not responsible for it, he takes the blame. If he fails on the final drive of the game and his team loses, 38-40, he gets blamed for not coming through at the end, even though the offense scored 38 points and the defense is the one what gave up 40 points.

Or, like a pitcher in MLB, when an error by someone else in the field allows the winning run to score - the run may not be charged to his ERA, but his win/loss record is charged with a loss.

When someone is president and something bad happens outside of his control, he cannot expect the opposition party to say, "Oh, that's okay, it's not your fault."

Yep. And everybody hates me because I think the DNC and GOP are "worldly powers" that we are warned against in Scripture. I view them as two sides of the same coin.

 

[KenH]

the Democrats are responsible for high gasoline prices, high inflation, high and unvetted border crossings, failing to prevent wars in Ukraine and Israel, and on and on.

Since you keep repeating the same stuff, Van, I'll just reply with the same stuff:

The Republicans have been in control of the House and the Senate and the presidency a lot(including 6 years with control of all three, 4 years of all three for the Democrats) during the 21st century, and things have not exactly been a bowl of cherries in the United States, nor the world, when the Republicans have been in positions of power.

The United States does not run the world, regardless of the desires of the neoconservatives.

Now it may simply be the best of an ugly contest, but the United States has the best economy in the world currently.

Donald Trump told the Republicans to kill the immigration bill, a subject that the Congress has not addressed in around 40 years. And the issue is still not addressed because of Donald Trump and weak-kneed Republicans.

Inflation is caused by the Federal Reserve increasing the money supply beyond the increase in productivity, and a lot of that increase is because of the profligate spending of the Republicans and the Democrats in Congress, that they do not have the courage to raise the revenue to pay for.

 

[JonC]

Since you keep repeating the same stuff, Van, I'll just reply with the same stuff:

The Republicans have been in control of the House and the Senate and the presidency a lot(including 6 years with control of all three, 4 years of all three for the Democrats) during the 21st century, and things have not exactly been a bowl of cherries in the United States, nor the world, when the Republicans have been in positions of power.

The United States does not run the world, regardless of the desires of the neoconservatives.

Now it may simply be the best of an ugly contest, but the United States has the best economy in the world currently.

Donald Trump told the Republicans to kill the immigration bill, a subject that the Congress has not addressed in around 40 years. And the issue is still not addressed because of Donald Trump and weak-kneed Republicans.

Inflation is caused by the Federal Reserve increasing the money supply beyond the increase in productivity, and a lot of that increase is because of the profligate spending of the Republicans and the Democrats in Congress, that they do not have the courage to raise the revenue to pay for.

I wish they were required to come up with "clean bills" when addressing major issues. That was a major issue with the immigration bill. Then it was hoping one side would have a stronger position come 2025.

 

[rsr]

Van: Is it possible for you discuss ANY subject wherein you do not slander and make personal attacks against those unfortunate to disagree with your views. I don't think so. And yes, this is a personal attack, so report at will. Your vile vomit of vituperation has gone on long enough.

 

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