Does All Mean All...Does World mean All

[Yeshua1]

Jesus has already choose to save all who believe on Him and all who come to Him and those who ask. There is no inability.
MB

How can fallen sinners even have ears to ear and heart and minds to respond?

 

[Yeshua1]

Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

Key is that part about "as many as were appointed"

 

[MB]

I already did, on multiple occasions. You simply reject all the evidence that has been shown you over many threads here on the Baptist Board.
Clearly, you have no intention of giving up control to God. That is between you and God.

You have presented scriptures yet scripture conflicts with what you claim it says. You have to take scripture as a whole other wise you become confused like your self. The Letter to the Saints at Ephesus It does noes not say Ephesians. Those Saints gathered in a synagogue were Jews and you haven't proven any different. Few Gentiles would enter such a place even if they were allowed to. It was Paul's custom to teach in the synagogues
MB

 

[MB]

Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

This is what this verse actually says from the YLT.
Act 13:48 And the nations hearing were glad, and were glorifying the word of the Lord, and did believe—as many as were appointed to life age-during;
This is a literal translation. Even looking at it from the original Biblical Greek it does not say what you claim.
MB

 

[MB]

How can fallen sinners even have ears to ear and heart and minds to respond?

What makes you think they can't and believe? Paul says they can.
Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
Deal with it
MB

 

[AustinC]

You have presented scriptures yet scripture conflicts with what you claim it says. You have to take scripture as a whole other wise you become confused like your self. The Letter to the Saints at Ephesus It does noes not say Ephesians. Those Saints gathered in a synagogue were Jews and you haven't proven any different. Few Gentiles would enter such a place even if they were allowed to. It was Paul's custom to teach in the synagogues
MB

Here you provide the twist needed for you to avoid the text. The elect in Ephesus are both Jew and Gentile. The elect have always been both Jew and Gentile. You cannot separate this without abandoning the whole of God's word and thus claim there are contradictions and conflict. The conflict is within you, not within scripture.

 

[Calminian]

The Catholic church has never been true never will be either This is why Calvinism isn't true. The central point of worship is Mary the mother of Jesus. Mary doesn't hear there prayers nor can she because she isn't a god. When Catholic's pray it's usually to Mary or some other saint. The rosary is all about Mary.
MB

You need to study this issue. You can trace all these false doctrines. They were not there in the beginning. Reform is not needed until false doctrines pop up.

Most of our creeds are the result of heresies coming to light. They are answers to the heresies, just as the reformation was. To argue that the reformation was an endorsement of the catholic church is beyond ignorant.

 

[Calminian]

What makes you think they can't and believe? Paul says they can.
Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
Deal with it
MB

Paul also says many cannot see and hear. They have been blinded to the truth, and need to have their eyes opened. Even Wesley understood the need for a prevenient grace (a grace that goes before). Arminians historically, have always understood this.

 

[timtofly]

Ephesians 2:1-10 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

Note that God loved us and provided Atonement to those even in the state of total depravity.

 

[timtofly]

The Spirit of God Must Be Present to Give an individual's free will THE SPIRITUALLY TEACHABLE SPIRIT to believe The Bible?

Otherwise, what is Taught is simply denied and told to others that they can no longer believe it, either.

"The hearing ear, and the seeing eye, the LORD hath made even both of them". Proverbs 20:12.

God Gives belief, Giving them Conviction of their sins through the Preaching of The Gospel of Jesus' Death, Burial, and Resurrection.

What an individual believes is WHAT THEY ARE GIVEN THE ENABLING ABILITY TO HEAR in The Word of God Convicting them that Jesus Died for them, since they are miserable, wicked, blind, naked, dead in trespasses and sins, undone, without strength to 'believe', 'choose', 'activate their flesh to become a Partaker of The Divine Nature', etc.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report? 17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

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Yes, God Saves some Gentiles, through Giving them Conviction of their sins through the Preaching of The Gospel of Jesus' Death, Burial, and Resurrection. That is His Message in Act 28:28

1 Corinthians 2:10 |
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

The correct answer to, "What does it take for an individual's free will to believe The Bible?", is not the finite, carnal, flesh.

Must God?

That is my point. The Holy Spirit seals all at conception. The some, the many, taken in context refers to those in context.

It is not proof that context alone determines all facts. It only determines the facts in context. All in Adam had Adam's free will, just as much as after the fall, had spiritual separation from God. Spiritual death defines total depravity. Total depravity does not define human nature. Adam had both worlds on one simple choice. In Christ ALL can have both worlds on one simple choice. Most do nothing.

Human nature is separation from God at conception. God’s love is the Holy Spirit sealing us at conception. God’s plan is free will. Even God freely chose to be the Atonement. To experience free will Himself. Up to the point God prayed in the Garden, "Not my will, but thine be done." Jesus did not have a permanent will. That prayer is proof. Jesus freely made the choice.

 

[Calminian]

Must God?

That is my point. The Holy Spirit seals all at conception. The some, the many, taken in context refers to those in context.

It is not proof that context alone determines all facts. It only determines the facts in context. All in Adam had Adam's free will, just as much as after the fall, had spiritual separation from God. Spiritual death defines total depravity. Total depravity does not define human nature. Adam had both worlds on one simple choice. In Christ ALL can have both worlds on one simple choice. Most do nothing.

Human nature is separation from God at conception. God’s love is the Holy Spirit sealing us at conception. God’s plan is free will. Even God freely chose to be the Atonement. To experience free will Himself. Up to the point God prayed in the Garden, "Not my will, but thine be done." Jesus did not have a permanent will. That prayer is proof. Jesus freely made the choice.

This whole post is a headscratcher. Sealed at conception by the Holy Spriit?

 

[MB]

Paul also says many cannot see and hear. They have been blinded to the truth, and need to have their eyes opened. Even Wesley understood the need for a prevenient grace (a grace that goes before). Arminians historically, have always understood this.

Funny the way Paul said in Acts 28:28 sounds to me like all Gentiles can Hear and the blindness and hearing problems belong to the Jews. They were blinded because of there rejection of Christ. Something else Calvinist mistakenly apply to them selves. This alone disproves Irresistible Grace.
MB

 

[timtofly]

This whole post is a headscratcher. Sealed at conception by the Holy Spriit?

A headscratcher would be if all those who accept Reformed theology, would use their God given free will, to humble themselves and pray, seek God’s face and turn from their wickedness, that God’s promise would be fulfilled. A global revival, to bring in a full harvest at the Second Coming.

 

[MB]

Here you provide the twist needed for you to avoid the text. The elect in Ephesus are both Jew and Gentile. The elect have always been both Jew and Gentile. You cannot separate this without abandoning the whole of God's word and thus claim there are contradictions and conflict. The conflict is within you, not within scripture.

Not true at all and what's more you have no proof that the elect applies to both Jews and Gentiles and always have. The only elect we know of for sure are the Jews. The Bible does not say Gentiles are elect as well. Your welcome to prove me wrong if you can. You don't know for sure that there were any Gentile saints in Ephesus. Name one if you can. Personally I think your just guessing.
MB

 

[Calminian]

A headscratcher would be if all those who accept Reformed theology, would use their God given free will, to humble themselves and pray, seek God’s face and turn from their wickedness, that God’s promise would be fulfilled. A global revival, to bring in a full harvest at the Second Coming.

So you reject all reformed theology, the trinity, etc?

As you must know, I'm not a calvinist. But what does this have to do with your claim of sealed by the HS at conception? What church are you guys representing?

 

[Calminian]

Funny the way Paul said in Acts 28:28 sounds to me like all Gentiles can Hear and the blindness and hearing problems belong to the Jews. They were blinded because of there rejection of Christ. Something else Calvinist mistakenly apply to them selves. This alone disproves Irresistible Grace.
MB

Soooooo, you're claiming Jews can't hear the spirit, only non-jews? This is getting interesting? What church do you guys represent?

 

[Yeshua1]

Not true at all and what's more you have no proof that the elect applies to both Jews and Gentiles and always have. The only elect we know of for sure are the Jews. The Bible does not say Gentiles are elect as well. Your welcome to prove me wrong if you can. You don't know for sure that there were any Gentile saints in Ephesus. Name one if you can. Personally I think your just guessing.
MB

Paul in Romans 8 calls saved the elect!

 

[Yeshua1]

So you reject all reformed theology, the trinity, etc?

As you must know, I'm not a calvinist. But what does this have to do with your claim of sealed by the HS at conception? What church are you guys representing?

Is he a modern day karl Barth, as in all lost now elect in Christ by God, unless and until we reject it?

 

[Calminian]

Is he a modern day karl Barth, as in all lost now elect in Christ by God, unless and until we reject it?

Oh, intersting. Yes, as you say, Romans 8 precludes this.

 

[Salty]

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