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Does Calvanism REALLY Turn God Into A Puppet master us Into puppets?
The non-elect could only wish they were puppets, because at least puppets just get thrown into a trunk at the end of the day.
Yes.............Does Calvanism REALLY Turn God Into A Puppet master us Into puppets?
The non-elect could only wish they were puppets, because at least puppets just get thrown into a trunk at the end of the day.
The whole of Calvinism is its determinist point of view. Since God supposedly "determines" who is saved and who is lost, what real choice do men have under such a system?As some here on the BB seem to believe this is one of many valid reasons to not becoming a Cal..
does the theology of calvinism then really remove all free will from man, we are indeed "Sinners in the hand of an Angry God?"
The whole of Calvinism is its determinist point of view. Since God supposedly "determines" who is saved and who is lost, what real choice do men have under such a system?
does the theology of calvinism then really remove all free will from man, we are indeed "Sinners in the hand of an Angry God?"
No....and dont tell me you buy that BS.:smilewinkgrin:
Who are the non-elect?
Those not chosen for salvation within the Calvinistic system, that God decided would be born with a totally depraved nature due to the Fall; and thus unable to willingly respond to God's appeal to be reconciled to Him; and therefore will spend all of eternity burning because they were born un-chosen into the fallen race of mankind on earth. I can think of no more cursed, hopeless, sad and helpless creature than a non-elect human being. There is no good news for them. There is no hope for them. There is only torture, pain, suffering and torment to endure for all eternity so as to bring their creator glory.
Does that about cover it?
Those not chosen for salvation within the Calvinistic system, that God decided would be born with a totally depraved nature due to the Fall; and thus unable to willingly respond to God's appeal to be reconciled to Him; and therefore will spend all of eternity burning because they were born un-chosen into the fallen race of mankind on earth. I can think of no more cursed, hopeless, sad and helpless creature than a non-elect human being. There is no good news for them. There is no hope for them. There is only torture, pain, suffering and torment to endure for all eternity so as to bring their creator glory.
Does that about cover it?
Those not chosen for salvation within the Calvinistic system, that God decided would be born with a totally depraved nature due to the Fall; and thus unable to willingly respond to God's appeal to be reconciled to Him; and therefore will spend all of eternity burning because they were born un-chosen into the fallen race of mankind on earth. I can think of no more cursed, hopeless, sad and helpless creature than a non-elect human being. There is no good news for them. There is no hope for them. There is only torture, pain, suffering and torment to endure for all eternity so as to bring their creator glory.
Does that about cover it?
Well..
don't think most cals would call it that way BUT...
lets play your "devils advocate here" thing...
Would God be in His right to do that?
Would He be just and fair, or would we be able to stand in judgement of Him judging us?
Well..
don't think most cals would call it that way BUT...
lets play your "devils advocate here" thing...
Would God be in His right to do that?
Would He be just and fair, or would we be able to stand in judgement of Him judging us?
A puppet master, a world of robots, you could go on and on with metaphores.
A theology that teaches that.....
1) God has from eternity past pre-determined who the damned are, and it is already set in stone in advance.
2) God has from eternity past pre-determined who the saved are, and it is already set in stone in advance.
3) All of mankind are completely and totally evil in every way, and have no ability to, in any way, seek God.
.....pretty much deserves any and all unfflatering descriptions that people might come up with.
It makes a mockery of the scriptures that teach that God is Love, and that God does not desire that any would perish and that all should come to repentance and eternal life.
And no, I am not advocating for universalism.
Ah Yea & I thank God everyday that is was done that way for me anyway