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Does Christianity require Pacifism

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1689Dave

1689Dave

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Revmitchell said:
See this is a prime example of how you misuse scripture. You cannot just take two disjointed passages and create your own doctrine out of them. And apparently you do not know the context or you would not use them. You need to be taught how to study and use scripture.

None of those passages addresses protecting your family. In fact it is not even in view in those passages. Jesus needed no defense as He came to go to the cross. Defending him only worked against that. That was the point. Not leaving your family to suffer needlessly at the hands of someone dangerous. Your position is heresy
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“Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. “But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.” Romans 12:19–21 (NASB95)
 
1689Dave

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Revmitchell said:
See this is a prime example of how you misuse scripture. You cannot just take two disjointed passages and create your own doctrine out of them. And apparently you do not know the context or you would not use them. You need to be taught how to study and use scripture.

None of those passages addresses protecting your family. In fact it is not even in view in those passages. Jesus needed no defense as He came to go to the cross. Defending him only worked against that. That was the point. Not leaving your family to suffer needlessly at the hands of someone dangerous. Your position is heresy
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Jesus would be a human shield as I hope true of me too. But killing enemies is not part of our calling. And if we reject his teaching and kill on behalf of our family, we already placed them above God's word. I would rather take a bullet for Jesus than to lay around a nursing home dying of old age because I disobeyed and killed my enemy. Wouldn't you?
 
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1689Dave said:
“Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. “But if your enemy is hungry, feed him, and if he is thirsty, give him a drink; for in so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.” Romans 12:19–21 (NASB95)
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Look the more you try the more you discredit yourself. Protecting your family is not revenge. If you do not know what revenge is then go find a dictionary. Your position has been thoroughly debunked
 
1689Dave

1689Dave

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Revmitchell said:
Look the more you try the more you discredit yourself. Protecting your family is not revenge. If you do not know what revenge is then go find a dictionary. Your position has been thoroughly debunked
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But killing enemies is not your calling. Not killing them is.
 
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Revmitchell said:
Except God is not asking us nor is it commanded to fail to protect your family from someone who wants to harm them. Such is heresy
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Didn't want to say it, but have to agree. What a dangerous concept.

"God wants me to sacrifice my children like Abraham did with Isaac. And hey, they'll either go to heaven or suffer less in hell because they died young!"

That is cringeworthy heretical. That is a cult.
 
1689Dave

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Calminian said:
Didn't want to say it, but have to agree. What a dangerous concept.

"God wants me to sacrifice my children like Abraham did with Isaac. And hey, they'll either go to heaven or suffer less in hell because they died young!"

That is cringeworthy heretical. That is a cult.
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You are missing the point of loving God more than family. This is basic Christianity.
 
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1689Dave said:
You are missing the point of loving God more than family. This is basic Christianity.
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Loving God is obeying God and protecting your family, with the sword if necessary. You want to martyr yourself, that's your right, might even be noble is some circumstances. Sacrificing your family cowardly and hateful.
 
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1689Dave said:
It takes more guts to go unarmed into harms way like Jesus than to cower behind a weapon.
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Again you need to study your bible. How many times did Jesus not go into harms way when they were after Him? Second, What Jesus did in that regards is not for us unless you believe you are going to the cross to save man. That was His reason. There is a difference between going out after your enemy and protecting your self and your family when they have come after you. Do not conflate the two. A man who will not protect his family is shameful and worse than a lost person according to scripture.
 
1689Dave

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Revmitchell said:
Again you need to study your bible. How many times did Jesus not go into harms way when they were after Him? Second, What Jesus did in that regards is not for us unless you believe you are going to the cross to save man. That was His reason. There is a difference between going out after your enemy and protecting your self and your family when they have come after you. Do not conflate the two. A man who will not protect his family is shameful and worse than a lost person according to scripture.
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Follow the Sermon on the Mount. It is the doctrine of Christ. John says those who don't have the doctrine of Christ don't have God.
 
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1689Dave said:
It takes more guts to go unarmed into harms way like Jesus than to cower behind a weapon.
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Hmmm. But you said you'd call the police. Now you say that would be cowardly since the police have weapons. You keep changing your story. Would you call the police, knowing you'd be "cowardly" hiding behind them and their weapons? I'm just following your logic.
 
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““He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. “And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. “He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.” Matthew 10:37–39 (NASB95)
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Spiritually... not physically!
 
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1689Dave said:
It takes more guts to go unarmed into harms way like Jesus than to cower behind a weapon.
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It doesn't actually, to protect another person who is innocent. Armed or not, if you stand by and watch an innocent murdered, when you could have done something, that is cowardice.

To do something is brave, weapon or not.
 
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