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Does Christianity require Pacifism

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1689Dave

1689Dave

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Calminian said:
I think a martyrdom is something some individual Christians are called to do. I think there are times for it. I don't go looking for it, but if it came to me I'd pray for God's grace.

But you're talking about something totally different. You're talking about offering your family and fellow brothers up to be martyred. That's actually cowardice. A righteous man protects the innocent. He does not offer them up to be sacrificed. That's a false religion.
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Look at it this way. If your family (think Abraham and Isaac) puts God first, you are blessed above all. If your family is saved...heaven with a martyrs crown is better. If they are not saved...a short life = less sin = less suffering in hell forever. Real guys turn the other cheek and face death accordingly.
 
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1689Dave said:
Look at it this way. If your family (think Abraham and Isaac) puts God first, you are blessed above all. If your family is saved...heaven with a martyrs crown is better. If they are not saved...a short life = less sin = less suffering in hell forever. Real guys turn the other cheek and face death accordingly.
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Wow! This sounds like Islam, using women and children as human shields and justifying it with afterlife promises. This is not Christianity, my friend.
 
Earth Wind and Fire

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1689Dave said:
Show me where Jesus doesn't require this?
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Dave, why would you think Christ would want his own to be slaughtered? To keep them from getting old?

For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you. You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.
 
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1689Dave

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Dave, why would you think Christ would want his own to be slaughtered? To keep them from getting old?

For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you. You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.
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It's an attitude of the heart. To love Christ more than life or more than your family...like Abraham did when put to the test.
 
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1689Dave said:
It's an attitude of the heart. To love Christ more than life or more than your family...like Abraham did when put to the test.
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Except God is not asking us nor is it commanded to fail to protect your family from someone who wants to harm them. Such is heresy
 
1689Dave

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Umm you have not put up any scripture proving your point. You misuse scripture and misapply it. However, you need to go back and look at my posts. I have already addressed this.
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Surely you have been told by Jesus to put up the sword and take the cross. It is basic Christianity.
 
1689Dave

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Revmitchell said:
Well hey! The best way to hang on to your failed position is the keep repeating a mantra! Hindu's do it so why not you.
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““And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. “He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.” Matthew 10:38–39 (NASB95)

“Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword.” Matthew 26:52 (NASB95)
 
Earth Wind and Fire

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1689Dave said:
It's an attitude of the heart. To love Christ more than life or more than your family...like Abraham did when put to the test.
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We are not Abraham, we are not the father of a nation. Rather we are all flawed humans in need of Grace. What’s more He doesn’t / can’t expect Abraham. You are setting up false synarios
 
1689Dave

1689Dave

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Earth Wind and Fire said:
We are not Abraham, we are not the father of a nation. Rather we are all flawed humans in need of Grace. What’s more He doesn’t / can’t expect Abraham. You are setting up false synarios
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““He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. “And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. “He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.” Matthew 10:37–39 (NASB95)
 
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1689Dave said:
““And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. “He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.” Matthew 10:38–39 (NASB95)

“Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword.” Matthew 26:52 (NASB95)
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See this is a prime example of how you misuse scripture. You cannot just take two disjointed passages and create your own doctrine out of them. And apparently you do not know the context or you would not use them. You need to be taught how to study and use scripture.

None of those passages addresses protecting your family. In fact it is not even in view in those passages. Jesus needed no defense as He came to go to the cross. Defending him only worked against that. That was the point. Not leaving your family to suffer needlessly at the hands of someone dangerous. Your position is heresy
 
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