Does God Change His Mind?

[Rye]

And because God’s mind is His alone, He is perfectly free to change His mind so long as His essence and His nature are not changed—and of course, they cannot be changed!

God’s mind and His nature are both sides of the same coin. By His very nature, He is incapable of lying. By changing His mind as to renege on His promises would turn God into a liar.

Upon being shown from the Qur’an in both the original Arabic and an excellent English translation that the theology that you have presented is Islamic, your posts have continued to defend Islamic beliefs against Christian beliefs.

Where did you get this bizarre notion that I’m inserting Islamic doctrine into Christianity?

First of all, I have never read the Qu’ran so I’m not in a position to accurately represent what its theology looks like.

Secondly, Islam came on the scene roughly 600 years after the New Testament. It’s not possible for Islam to have had any influence on Judaism/Christianity.

All doctrines and theology I go by comes from the Bible and the Bible alone.

 

[JesusFan]

Our God is immutable! His essence and His very nature are not capable of or susceptible to being changed, but God has a mind of His own. And because God’s mind is His alone, He is perfectly free to change His mind so long as His essence and His nature are not changed—and of course, they cannot be changed! Furthermore, God’s ability to learn and react accordingly and His freedom to change His mind are an integral part of His essence and His nature. Moreover, this is the forum for “Baptist Theology and Bible Study.” It is NOT a forum for Islamic Theology, and yet you have presented in this forum an Islamic doctrine that is directly opposed not only to Baptist theology, but all of Christian theology. Upon being shown from the Qur’an in both the original Arabic and an excellent English translation that the theology that you have presented is Islamic, your posts have continued to defend Islamic beliefs against Christian beliefs.

God already though knows everything to happen to us as in future time, as ti Him its all in present time as he is outside linear time not stuck in it as we all are

 

[JesusFan]

Genesis 3:15 - And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

The Messiah was promised to come before that happened, therefore He could not have wiped out the entire human population.

God does not go back on His Word.

If Gad ever really changes His mind based upon getting further information, how would we know if even the future has already been set and fixed as per biblical prophecy?

 

[Van]

Does God change His Mind? Well He certainly varies His response to human actions, depending on the actions. If we repent, He will relent.

Does God change is attributes and characteristics? Nope.

Does God regret? Great question. He desires all people to be saved, so when He takes people to Hades, does He regret they did not put their faith in Christ? What does scripture say?

 

[Rye]

Does God regret? Great question. He desires all people to be saved, so when He takes people to Hades, does He regret they did not put their faith in Christ? What does scripture say?

Will God will be eternally bummed out that some chose not to follow Christ and had no choice but to send them to Hell? That He failed to work out all things according to the counsel of His will? Scripture does not leave us with such possibilities.

 

[JesusFan]

Does God change His Mind? Well He certainly varies His response to human actions, depending on the actions. If we repent, He will relent.

Does God change is attributes and characteristics? Nope.

Does God regret? Great question. He desires all people to be saved, so when He takes people to Hades, does He regret they did not put their faith in Christ? What does scripture say?

God sends none to Hell, as those there willing reject the light of Christ, preferring their own darkness.

And IF God indeeds desires all to get saved, then all who go there somehow had the authority to overpower God

 

[Van]

Will God will be eternally bummed out that some chose not to follow Christ and had no choice but to send them to Hell? That He failed to work out all things according to the counsel of His will? Scripture does not leave us with such possibilities.

Once again you are addressing what you manufactured, not what I said. Does God regret? He desires all people to be saved according to His Redemption Plan, yet all people are not saved. Would regret result from that reality? Perhaps not.

 

[JesusFan]

Once again you are addressing what you manufactured, not what I said. Does God regret? He desires all people to be saved according to His Redemption Plan, yet all people are not saved. Would regret result from that reality? Perhaps not.

Did not same God declare that His anger and wrath stored up towards the wicked though?

 

[Van]

Perhaps some do not understand "perhaps not."

 

[Rye]

He desires all people to be saved according to His Redemption Plan, yet all people are not saved.

Please point me to a verse that indicates God desires all people to be saved, yet it depends on them to voluntarily hop on the train to salvation.

Would regret result from that reality?

Psalm 115:3 - But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.

Does it please God that some would choose to be saved? Yes it does. Does it please God that some would choose to be damned? No it doesn’t. Therefore, it would logically makes sense that if it pleases Him for as many people as possible to be saved then He would simply save everybody.

But not everybody is saved. Why is that? Because it pleases Him to be merciful to some and it pleases Him to allow others to have the very justice that we all deserve. He does not owe mercy to anyone.

 

[Craigbythesea]

Does God regret?

The answer to this question depends upon whether one believes clear, unambiguous, and clear statements in the Bible or on the contrary—his own foolishness.

1 Sam. 15:10. The word of the Lord came to Samuel:
11. “I regret that I made Saul king, for he has turned back from following me, and has not carried out my commands.” Samuel was angry; and he cried out to the Lord all night. (NRSV)

Gen. 6:6. And the Lord was sorry that he had made humankind on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. (NRSV)

In both of these verses, the same Hebrew word is used to express the concept of regret and sorrow.

 

[Rye]

1 Sam. 15:10. The word of the Lord came to Samuel:
11. “I regret that I made Saul king, for he has turned back from following me, and has not carried out my commands.” Samuel was angry; and he cried out to the Lord all night. (NRSV)

Even though God already knew that Saul would be wicked…

1 Samuel 8:18 - And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the Lord will not hear you in that day.

Gen. 6:6. And the Lord was sorry that he had made humankind on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. (NRSV)

But He didn’t follow through with destroying all of mankind, did He? Did He realize that He was about to make a huge mistake and had to reverse course? No, it is it because He never intended to in the first place. He would have broken His promise concerning the coming of the Messiah.

Genesis 3:15 - And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

As I keep saying over and over, God can’t change His mind because God can’t tell a lie.

 

[37818]

As I keep saying over and over, God can’t change His mind because God can’t tell a lie.

Genesis 6:6-7, And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

 

[Van]

Please point me to a verse that indicates God desires all people to be saved, yet it depends on them to voluntarily hop on the train to salvation.



Psalm 115:3 - But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.

Does it please God that some would choose to be saved? Yes it does. Does it please God that some would choose to be damned? No it doesn’t. Therefore, it would logically makes sense that if it pleases Him for as many people as possible to be saved then He would simply save everybody.

But not everybody is saved. Why is that? Because it pleases Him to be merciful to some and it pleases Him to allow others to have the very justice that we all deserve. He does not owe mercy to anyone.

Once again you misrepresent my position and ask me hop into your fiction. Why

I am expected to inform you of John 3:16, where the lost must believe into Him?

Is it logical to claim God desires to compel everyone to believe, therefore saving everyone? Nope

Did anyone say God owes mercy to anyone? Nope

Why not address my position? Why waste time with smokescreed.

 

[Van]

The answer to this question depends upon whether one believes clear, unambiguous, and clear statements in the Bible or on the contrary—his own foolishness.

1 Sam. 15:10. The word of the Lord came to Samuel:
11. “I regret that I made Saul king, for he has turned back from following me, and has not carried out my commands.” Samuel was angry; and he cried out to the Lord all night. (NRSV)

Gen. 6:6. And the Lord was sorry that he had made humankind on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. (NRSV)

In both of these verses, the same Hebrew word is used to express the concept of regret and sorrow.

I did not address your general statement of truth, I addressed whether God regrets that everyone is not saved. And I said Possible not.

Now if you having to say on that view, have at it.

 

[Craigbythesea]

As I keep saying over and over, God can’t change His mind because God can’t tell a lie.

God, being just and holy, changes His mind when the circumstances require that He do so. Changing His mind does not make God a liar. You, on the other hand, appear in your posts to be a habitual liar just for the fun of it!

Jonah 3:10. When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil ways, God changed his mind about the calamity that he had said he would bring upon them; and he did not do it.

Exodus 32:12. “Why should the Egyptians say, ‘It was with evil intent that he brought them out to kill them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth’? Turn from your fierce wrath; change your mind and do not bring disaster on your people.
13. Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, your servants, how you swore to them by your own self, saying to them, ‘I will multiply your descendants like the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have promised I will give to your descendants, and they shall inherit it forever.’”
14. And the Lord changed his mind about the disaster that he planned to bring on his people.

Jeremiah 18:7. At one moment I may declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it,
8. but if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will change my mind about the disaster that I intended to bring on it.
9. And at another moment I may declare concerning a nation or a kingdom that I will build and plant it,
10. but if it does evil in my sight, not listening to my voice, then I will change my mind about the good that I had intended to do to it.

Jeremiah 26:3. It may be that they will listen, all of them, and will turn from their evil way, that I may change my mind about the disaster that I intend to bring on them because of their evil doings.
13. Now therefore amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the Lord your God, and the Lord will change his mind about the disaster that he has pronounced against you.
19. Did King Hezekiah of Judah and all Judah actually put him to death? Did he not fear the Lord and entreat the favor of the Lord, and did not the Lord change his mind about the disaster that he had pronounced against them? But we are about to bring great disaster on ourselves!"

(All quotations from Scripture are from the NRSV)

 

[Rye]

God, being just and holy, changes His mind when the circumstances require that He do so. Changing His mind does not make God a liar. You, on the other hand, appear in your posts to be a habitual liar just for the fun of it!

Spewing out the same handful of verses over and over again does not back up your claims or your false accusations against me.

Congratulations on being the first person on BB to land on my ignore list.

 

[Rye]

Once again you misrepresent my position and ask me hop into your fiction. Why

He desires all people to be saved according to His Redemption Plan, yet all people are not saved.

Please point me to a verse that indicates God desires all people to be saved, yet it depends on them to voluntarily hop on the train to salvation.

The “train to salvation” refers to this “redemption plan” that you speak of. You say He desires all people to be saved but not all are. I know you don’t believe in unconditional election so that means it is conditional on a person’s choice. So where exactly did I misrepresent your position?

I am expected to inform you of John 3:16, where the lost must believe into Him?

Yes, a person will remain lost unless they believe in Him.

Is it logical to claim God desires to compel everyone to believe, therefore saving everyone?

Whoever He does compel to believe will be saved.

Did anyone say God owes mercy to anyone?

He has mercy on whoever He wants.

Why not address my position?

I guess I really don’t know what your position is then. When I think I have it figured out, suddenly I’m thrown a curveball.

 

[Craigbythesea]

Spewing out the same handful of verses over and over again does not back up your claims or your false accusations against me.

Those verses are from the Bible and they are clear, explicit, unambiguous statements that prove that your repeated and repeated claim that “God can’t change His mind” is a willful, deliberate lie! And not just a lie, but a lie about God, His essence, and His nature. Is it even possible to tell a more serious lie or commit a more serious sin?

 

[MrW]

If God says He changes His mind, I accept that, and it’s no problem to me.