paidagogos
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It appears to have been a physical problem or limitation. Are you saying it was a demon or some sin?
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Does God ever permit divorce?
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paidagogos
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Yeah, do you help your wife with washing the dishes?
Brother Bob
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Never but I do almost all the cooking for home and the Church. How about that?
What kind of message could Satan possible have except sin. He said to the Lord "if thou will worship me, all the kingdoms thou doth see I will give thee. (quoting from memory)
What kind of message could Satan possible have except sin. He said to the Lord "if thou will worship me, all the kingdoms thou doth see I will give thee. (quoting from memory)
It appears to have been a physical problem or limitation. Are you saying it was a demon or some sin? </font>[/QUOTE]2Co 12:7 And lest I should be exalted (PRIDE) above measure through the abundance of the revelations,(given to me) there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
paidagogos
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Physical affliction--remember Job? Paul's physical affliction kept him from becoming prideful because of limitations. It may have been eyesight (Gal. 4:14-15, 2 Cor. 10:1) or a speech impediment (2 Cor. 11:6). Many believe with reason that it was Paul’s eyesight because of the statements in Galatians 4:14-15 and the fact that he used an amanuensis in writing. We really don’t know but one cannot just assume it was some besetting sin. The sense of the Scriptures does not necessarily indicate that it was sin. The allusion is vague to us but it probably would have been clear to those who knew Paul personally.Originally posted by Brother Bob:
Never but I do almost all the cooking for home and the Church. How about that?
What kind of message could Satan possible have except sin. He said to the Lord "if thou will worship me, all the kingdoms thou doth see I will give thee. (quoting from memory)
As for the cooking, it sounds as if you got the best part of the deal—I despise dishwashing, so I don’t wash dishes (My wife does the dishwashing except for the times I do it specially for her). My cooking is limited to the grill or smoker and making Sushi or hummus.
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Brother Bob
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Agree;
Originally posted by Me4Him:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Brother Bob:
Never but I do almost all the cooking for home and the Church. How about that?
But be careful; The frog batting the eyes at Kermit is likely to make Miss Piggy jealous. Although I'm pretty sure she would not want anything to do with the mop!
Ed
Brother Bob
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Now thats funny Me4Him and Ed;
We need a few more posts like that.
I recall Amy Grant's divorce and was a huge fan of hers at one time. It made waves here in TN.
I'm divorced and remarried. I struggle with God's perfect will verses what we assume to be his will. God's perfect will would probably have me in my 1st marriage of 16 years. I'm not sure I'd still be here or not....
I used to look at divorced people differently until I became one.
I care about divorces....I am a Christian....
Brother Bob
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God Bless you lgpruitt;
Joh 8:4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
Joh 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Joh 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Mt 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Mt 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
Joh 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
Joh 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Mt 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Mt 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
I do appreaciate the ones who have responded with grace to those who have been divorced.
My position on divorce (stated a good bit earlier) is a result of MUCH study on the subject. Neither my wife or I have ever been divorced and none of my kids or immediate family have been divorced. I RESENT the earlier subtle implication that I may have formed my theology on the basis of an unfortunate family event!
My position on divorce (stated a good bit earlier) is a result of MUCH study on the subject. Neither my wife or I have ever been divorced and none of my kids or immediate family have been divorced. I RESENT the earlier subtle implication that I may have formed my theology on the basis of an unfortunate family event!
A pastor like that tells a lot about the people who would go to a church like that.Originally posted by Frenchy:
All I can say which hasn't been said already is this SANDERSON guy is a great source of healing for those who have encountered spiritual abuse by these kind of churhes he preaches at.
All i have to do is point someone to any one of his post to show them, see you were in a whacked out church that wasn't God centered but man centered. and let the healing begin.
Thank Mr. Sanderson for all your help
It's like the billboard I saw on a church once. "There is good in everybody. Some are examples of what not to do."
Maybe some have seen the book "Churches That Abuse" by Ronald M. Enrot
</font>[/QUOTE]Sorry. I thougnt that God said that Joseph was going to divorce Mary BECAUSE he was a JUST man. Thought the word there was dikaios, righteous. Of course, that could not be, since divorce is always a sin...
</font>[/QUOTE]Jews customs were what most would call "strange" today, as proof of a woman's virginity, the bed sheet with the blood from the broke "hymen" would be displayed at the city gate.
And as proof of our "Virginity" (Saved) the blood of the lamb will be displayed before God.
Think I have seen that one. Have one or two on recovering from spiritually abusive ministries in boxes somewhere. Interesting that there is so much of that going on as to create a market for books dealing with “church abuse recovery”.
No indication that this custom was still being practiced in the days of Jesus.
“Joseph was minded to put her away privily” and without public humiliation.
Two aspects here:
1) His ‘righteousness’ prevented him from staying with a woman who had obviously ‘played the harlot’, and
2) His loving kindness prevented him from using his own pain at what seemed to be unfaithfulness as an excuse to embarrass Mary in a public manner.
Personally, I see in this a picture of the character of God. He cannot overlook our sin because of His perfect righteousness, yet in His compassion, He has provided a way for all to be saved by personal faith in the substitutionary death of the Lord Jesus.
And of course there is the example of Hosea as a beautiful illustration of God’s unending faithfulness and love for rebellious and adulterous Israel. What an incredible challenge to all who may have Matt 19 grounds for divorce and yet who pursue reconciliation with an unfaithful spouse!
I know you count your blessings since none are divorced in your family. That's awesome!Originally posted by rjprince:
I do appreaciate the ones who have responded with grace to those who have been divorced.
My position on divorce (stated a good bit earlier) is a result of MUCH study on the subject. Neither my wife or I have ever been divorced and none of my kids or immediate family have been divorced. I RESENT the earlier subtle implication that I may have formed my theology on the basis of an unfortunate family event!
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