Does God hate anyone?

[SovereignGrace]

Relax. I was simply asking for a pithy definition. Words have usage, context gives meaning. What does hate mean?

I am relaxed, as cool as the center seed in a cucumber.

Hate means to hate, be hateful, to hate(of man, of God, hater, one hating, enemy), to be hated, hater(of persons, nations, God, wisdom).

שָׂנֵא sânêʼ, saw-nay'; a primitive root; to hate (personally):—enemy, foe, (be) hate(-ful, -r), odious, × utterly.


Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

 

[SovereignGrace]

Ha...No my friend....It does not.

You stand at odds with God and His word, per usual.

 

[JonShaff]

Perhaps he told us not to hate, as He hates, because we are incapable of hating with the absolute purity, with no ulterior motives, as He does?

Are you planning to die on the cross any time soon? We are not to follow His example. We are to OBEY Him.

I'd say we are to follow Christ's example and obey. His very life dwells within us.

 

[JonShaff]

I am relaxed, as cool as the center seed in a cucumber.

Hate means to hate, be hateful, to hate(of man, of God, hater, one hating, enemy), to be hated, hater(of persons, nations, God, wisdom).

שָׂנֵא sânêʼ, saw-nay'; a primitive root; to hate (personally):—enemy, foe, (be) hate(-ful, -r), odious, × utterly.


Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

Hate means to hate, got it

I wasn't looking for a specific definition. Rev simply gave a pithy one and I was saying that *type* of definition was what I was looking for.

 

[Rockson]

Perhaps he told us not to hate, as He hates, because we are incapable of hating with the absolute purity, with no ulterior motives, as He does?

Well I'll say this that God tells us not to seek vengeance Rom 12:9 for God is LOVE and knows best if there should be such or not. But no....what does he tell us here.....he said be you perfect as your Heavenly Father is perfect Matt 5:48 and LOVE is the bond of perfection. Col 3:14 Plus he demonstrates here not "hate" to those who despise him but the opposite of such. He tells them to love (see below) and he demonstrates his example...for he sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. Rain of course here in context is meant to be a blessing as it's a blessing for crop production.

You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. Matt 5:44

 

[SovereignGrace]

@Rockson, you are conflating love with longsuffering/patience.

 

[TCassidy]

I'd say we are to follow Christ's example and obey.

Are you under the impression you are able to follow His Perfect example?

 

[SovereignGrace]

Ha...No my friend....It does not.

Just as it is written, “JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED.”[Romans 9:13]

The Greek word for hate is miseō and it means...


-- to hate, pursue with hatred, detest
--to be hated, detested

Yet again, you stand opposed to God and His word. You think He has to reach your righteous demands, or He is not worthy of your worship. You have this picture of Him in your mind, and per your posts, its not the biblical God who has revealed Himself through His word. You have erected a 'god' who agrees with everything you do. He is NOT pleased when ppl misrepresent Him.

 

[Alcott]

What does anybody want, if not scripture, to tell us what "hate" means? And by scripture that notion that God loves everybody all the time is proven to be a fantasy.

I'm not sure how long ago, but I recall a thread titled something like "Does God love those who are in hell?" And quite a number of posters were saying he does. If that's true, then love is surely the most meaningless word that's ever been used. If it's true in the sense that no matter how tormenting hell [I'm using that generic word to mean hades, gehenna, or the lake of fire] is, that God could make it a million, billion, or trillion.... times worse, you have to believe it's equally true that no matter how good heaven is that it could be a million, billion, trillion... times better-- concluding then that God could love us far, far more than he does.

But then dealing-- trying to-- with infinite concepts in regard to eternal fate may have lowered my math grades a level in every class. If life is eternal happiness [with no torment], and death is eternal torment [and no happiness], and time never 'runs out' on either, then both have to get progressively better or worse or they have taken turns toward the opposite, which would mean there is less love or less hate than the previous moment. So does God infinitely and progressively hate as well as infinitely progressively love? or does he love less or hate less at many (infinite?) points? And [keeping this elementary] if either is absolute zero in regard to the other, defining one over the other is dividing by zero, meaning it's undefined; or if asking the question of 'how much greater is happiness in heaven than in hell?' there is no definition... so do we even know? No. But they don't, in fact have zero relation to each other, to define one in terms of the other, or how shall the tormented be so in the presence of the angels and the Lamb [Revelation 14:10]?

 

[SovereignGrace]

What does anybody want, if not scripture, to tell us what "hate" means? And by scripture that notion that God loves everybody all the time is proven to be a fantasy.

I do my very best to read the bible through God's attributes. One of them is immutability.[Hebrews 6:18] Now, if He is immutable(and He is, without question), then we run in a snafu. If He is immutable, and if His love is everlasting[Jeremiah 31:3], and is love is lavished on everybody without exception, then He has to love them who will reside for eternity in hell.

Now, if God loves those He chose to redeem via the cross work of His Son, then we see complete harmony in the objects of His love(vessels of mercy in Romans 9).

 

[atpollard]

Relax. I was simply asking for a pithy definition. Words have usage, context gives meaning. What does hate mean?

Hate = loathe, abhor.
(pithy enough)?

 

[JonShaff]

Hate = loathe, abhor.
(pithy enough)?

Yes

 

[Rockson]

@Rockson, you are conflating love with longsuffering/patience.

Why don't you just acknowledge what the verse plainly said?

You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. Matt 5:44

The theme of the verse is what? LOVE! Didn't he say it twice? Did he say show patience to your enemy? Did he say show long suffering to your enemy? Nope. Show love to them! Show love to them why? That you may be LIKE your Father in heaven who does what? Shows LOVE. Be like HIM. Out of all things for your dear people to want to change God's passion of LOVE to the world trust me that's the last thing you want to do. Please don't end up hearing, "Why did you tell the people of the world I hated them when I laid out clearly I didn't?"

 

[JonShaff]

Are you under the impression you are able to follow His Perfect example?

Able to? That's kind of a loaded Question.

God lives in me. So, yes, I am Able to.

Christ's example was to "Do the Father's will."

Is it God's will for me to die on a cross (for the same reason Christ did)--absolutely not!

Is it God's will to "work out of me" the very life of His son? Absolutely!

His example of Humble Service (feetwashing) is to be followed, for example. Does that mean i follow His example of washing everyone's feet. No. But i do follow His example in LOWERING myself to meet the needs of others.

 

[Rockson]

Just as it is written, “JACOB I LOVED, BUT ESAU I HATED.”
[Romans 9:13]

Sorry SG you're misinformed. The verse above does not mean God hated Esau as an individual. Where in Gen 25 do you read such a thing? Not there. All you read is the elder shall serve the younger. It wasn't until Malachi 1 at the end of the OT thousands of years later where Esau is brought up but it's speaking of his descendants the nation of Edom. God detested that nation as one can see below

Even though Edom has said,
“We have been impoverished,
But we will return and build the desolate places,”
Thus says the Lord of hosts:
They may build, but I will throw down;
Malachi 1: 4

Even with this that still doesn't ultimately demonstrate God hates people in the way that Calvinists think.

The Greek word for hate is miseō and it means...


-- to hate, pursue with hatred, detest
--to be hated, detested

Well it doesn't really matter what greek word or hebrew word you can bring up definitions for. You're right. That's what the words mean but if they're meant to be taken in a way of metonymy (see post 33) then you haven't demonstrated anything to say God doesn't love all men.

Yet again, you stand opposed to God and His word.

Well I respectfully reject your conclusion. PEACE

 

[loDebar]

He loved us all or we would not be here.
He does not "hate" until we reject Him. Esau, the arrogant etc.

 

[Reynolds]

Hate means to hate, got it

I wasn't looking for a specific definition. Rev simply gave a pithy one and I was saying that *type* of definition was what I was looking for.

Only problem is that is the incorrect definition in the passages specifically mentioned in the O.P. of this thread.

 

[JonShaff]

Only problem is that is the incorrect definition in the passages specifically mentioned in the O.P. of this thread.

You're probably correct--incorrect definition--but that doesn't change the fact as to what i was asking about.

I feel like half the struggle in Christendom, concerning understanding one another, is the fact that we do not define the words we choose.

I think it would be helpful to define the word "hate" in its biblical context. We use hate differently in our vernacular.

 

[Yeshua1]

He loved us all or we would not be here.
He does not "hate" until we reject Him. Esau, the arrogant etc.

God has said that He does hate so is He wrong when He does that?

 

[TCassidy]

Able to? That's kind of a loaded Question.

God lives in me. So, yes, I am Able to.

Christ's example was to "Do the Father's will."

Is it God's will for me to die on a cross (for the same reason Christ did)--absolutely not!

Is it God's will to "work out of me" the very life of His son? Absolutely!

His example of Humble Service (feetwashing) is to be followed, for example. Does that mean i follow His example of washing everyone's feet. No. But i do follow His example in LOWERING myself to meet the needs of others.

Was that a "yes" or a "no?"