Does God have a Mother II

Eliyahu said:

Because you deny the sentence in Heb 7:3 which mentions clearly Melchisedec is like Son of God in the aspect of having No Mother and No Genealogy. The sentence is focussed on Melchisedec, but if the writer didn't believe that Son of God has no Mother, no Genealogy,

Wrong again Eliyahu.

The Son of God, Jesus of Nazareth, has a mother. "And his father and his mother marveled at what was said about him. And Simeon blessed them and said to Mary his mother" (Luke 2:33-34).

The Son of God, Jesus of Nazareth, has a genealogy. "The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham" (Matt. 1:1).

To believe Eliyahu is to disbelieve the plain claims of Scripture, and therefore to disbelieve God.

Are you saying that Jesus didn't exist before Mary? Listen to what Jesus say: John 8:56-59

Wrong again Eliyahu.

The Man Jesus of Nazareth did not exist before being conceived and born of Mary. The eternal Son of God became incarnate as the man Jesus, through his mother Mary, but before then, he was not a man.

To believe Eliyahu is to disbelieve the plain claims of Scripture, and therefore to disbelieve God.

Do you know the difference between Handmaid of God and Mother of God?

A handmaiden is a servant. Are you so dense as to think Mary couldn't be both a servant and a mother?

You are creating a new title which is not mentioned in the bible but sounds very important.

Wrong again Eliyahu.

I am creating nothing. I am simply referring to a theological label that has been used for a millennium and a half of Church history, and which properly understood describes an orthodox understanding of the person of Christ.

But you are denying that God the Father is God, because Mother of God is not Mother of God the Father since God the Father is also God.

Wrong again Eliyahu.

God the Father is not God the Son.

God the Son became man.
God the Father did not become man.

God the Son was born of Mary. She is his mother.
God the Father was not born of Mary. She is not his mother.

This is what the Bible teaches. To believe Eliyahu is to disbelieve the plain claims of Scripture, and therefore to disbelieve God.

You are separating God into 3 Gods, are you believing 3 Gods?

Wrong again Eliyahu.

I am neither separating God into three Gods, nor do I believe in three gods. This has been explained to you over and over again. You are either unable, or deliberately unwilling, to acknowledge this and accept correction.

Obstinacy on your part does not constitute heresy on mine.

You and the people who are calling Mother of God is denying God the Father is God.

Wrong again Eliyahu.

Let me know when you've saved up enough to buy a clue, or at least a decent systematic theology and a good textbook on church history. Until then, au revoir.

 

Eliyahu said:

You and Roman Catholic are trying to place Mary on top of God the Almighty.

Wrong again Eliyahu.

Being obstinate doesn't make you right.

 

Eliyahu said:

1. What is the relationship between Mary and God the Father?

We are concerned with the relationship between Mary and God the Son, not Mary and God the Father. Changing the subject won't make you right.

2. Is Mary a member of Church ?

She was a believer in Christ as Messiah, so yes, she is a member of the Church.

What's your point?

The church is subject unto Christ.

Yes it is. What's your point?

Read Ephesian 1:22, 5:24 .

"And he put all things under his feet and gave him as head over all things to the church" (Eph. 1:22).

"Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands" (Eph. 5:24).

What's your point?

Then answer whether Mary is a member of the Church or not

Already did. If you have a point, make it, and stop talking in these foolish riddles.

 

Eliyahu said:

Because you are using the title God which is also used for God the Father.

Yes it is. So what?

Is she not a servant of God the Father?

Yes she is. So what?

Then is she a member of the bride for Jesus. Read Ephesian 5:25,27,32, Revelation 21:2. 21:9-12

Yes she is. So what?

Is Mary among the members of Jerusalem coming down from heaven?

Yes she is. So what?

Namely, is Mother of God a member of Bride for Husband Jesus?

Yes she is. So what?

Mother becomes Wife?"

"Wife" is a figure of speech. The church is not a literal bride, whereas Mary was Jesus Christ's literal mother.

So yes, figuratively speaking, Mary is part of God the Son's "wife."

I hope you didn't set me up just to prove that you can't tell the difference between literal speech and a metaphor, because you wasted your effort.

Mother of God is under Son of God, right?

Yes she is. So what?

Mother of God with such respectful title, should obey Jesus, right? and then Mother of God is Wife for the same God, isn't this contradictory?

I see you have no better idea what "contradictory" means than "syllogism."

How is Mother of God exalted in Revelation?

She isn't. So what?

The Throne for God and for Lamb of God is mentioned in Revelation 22, but where is Mother of God?

Not even important. Who cares?

Mt 12:48, "Who is my mother?"
49" Behold my Mother!" Who was Jesus pointng out?

Ah, so you think Jesus did have a mother, it's just that everybody got to be his mother but Mary.

Was He calling her as Mother of God?

No. So what?

 

Eliyahu said:

1) You have a false scripture calling Joseph as His father. Read KJV, which states, Joseph and HIs mother.

So what?

We aren't talking about Joseph. Everyone is agreed that Joseph wasn't Jesus' father except insofar as he was married to Jesus' mother.

Of course, the KJV, like all Bibles, correctly states that Mary is the mother of Jesus.

2) Luke 2:21, 27 mention, child Jesus. Therefore the exact interpretation for His Mother should be this : Mother of child Jesus, or Jesus' Mother. Not the Mother of Son of God.

This is getting idiotic.

Is Jesus of Nazareth the Son of God? Yes or no?

2. None of the believers in Christ in the Bible calls Mary as Mother of God.

So what?

3. Individually and collectively the church members are Bride for Jesus as you can see Mt 25:1-12. Therefore Mary is one of the brides for Jesus.

Yes, she is. So what?

Will Mary say to the Husband I am Mother of God?

He already knows.

It is just a comedy!

Heresy is no laughing matter, and your heresy, which concerns the person of Christ - and therefore the work of Christ - will damn your soul, Eliyahu.

Individually Mother becomes a bride for Her Son?
That's strawmen's theology based on Syllogism!

It is not a straw man, nor a syllogism, nor a salad, nor a submarine.

4. Revelation is very important portraying the future. Nobody calls Mother of God or pay respect to Mother of God as Roman Catholic does on this world today.

That, for the record, is a straw man argument.

Mary is not in the book of Revelation. No one calls her anything.

Maybe they are all going to the Lake of Fire! That's why nobody pay respects to Mother of God there!



Isn't it strange that so-called Co-Redeemer is not mentioned at all in the future?

No.

Holy Spirit commends you to come out of Goddess worship theology!

I don't worship any "goddess."

God commands you to stop lying about a brother in Christ, if indeed you do know him.

He commands that you repent of believing in your false Jesus, and draw near to the true Son of God, wholly God and wholly Man, born of the woman Mary.

 

Ransom,I admire your stamina for hanging in here with this.

Eliyahu - You are so stuck on the title of "Mother of God" that you are ignoring the biblical basis for it. Forget it as a title and think of it as a description, which is what has been discussed here.

Jesus had to become man - he did not just appear as man. He was born a man and was a physical descendant of David, as the bible states. He came into the human race and was part of the human race by being born of Mary as his mother. It's pretty basic.

 

I think we have seen Eliyahu's true colours come out in his last few posts.

He is not interested in the truth; rather, he is unteachable and incorrigible.

Furthermore, Eliyahu is a false accuser of Christian brethren. In these selfsame posts he has accused me of tritheism, "Goddess worship," and various other heresies. However, I have strong doubts that he truly understands what the latter means, just as he slings terminology around like "syllogism" and "straw man" while demonstrating no knowledge what the terms mean.

I will interact with his most recent post later, when I have the time, if it is worth the effort.

 

That is the worst summary I have ever seen on these forums.

Have you talked to your pastor yet about the orthodox understanding of the Trinity?

 

I'll take that as a 'no'. You really should.