Does God judge and comdemn Sodom For Sins, or for gay lifestyles?

[Yeshua1]

And yet Ezekiel also specifies pride and selfishness, as well as other iniquities. It was not this one sin alone.

that was the PRIMARy sin listed though, and again, it is the ONLY sin that satan has done a great sales job in getting many pastors and churches to now accept as ok to do once saved, "Just do in within biblical guideleines of 1 man for 1 man, in a commited marriage!"

That is blasphemy and perversion!

 

[Yeshua1]

Thats fine, but the topic is why Sodom was judged. The Bible includes pride and selfishness in the reasons. It was not one sin,

true, but again, sexual perversionas to homosexual activities clearly given by god as the main reason!

 

[Sapper Woody]

Let's allow God to answer that.

• Ezekiel 16:48-50 - “As I live”—the declaration of the Lord God—“your sister Sodom and her daughters have not behaved as you and your daughters have. Now this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, plenty of food, and comfortable security, but didn’t support the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before Me, so I removed them when I saw this.
• Jude 1:7 - In the same way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them committed sexual immorality and practiced perversions, just as angels did, and serve as an example by undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

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It seems to me that pride was the main issue here. After all, it's mentioned more than once. "Had pride" and "they were haughty". AND they did detestable things. In Jude, it says they practiced immorality. But it doesn't say they were destroyed because of it.

Sodom was destroyed because of general wickedness, not because of one sin. Yes, that sin is mentioned to show how wicked they were, but not to be construed as the only reason they were destroyed.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

true, but again, sexual perversionas to homosexual activities clearly given by god as the main reason!

How do we know which was primary?

Look at the Ezekiel passage - Ezekiel 16:49-50
Look, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom:She and her daughter had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty and committed abomination before Me; therefore I took them away as I saw fit.

Pride
Fullness of food and abundance of idleness - but did not strengthen the hand of the poor and needy
Haughty
Abomination

This was the iniquity of Sodom

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

It seems to me that pride was the main issue here. After all, it's mentioned more than once. "Had pride" and "they were haughty". AND they did detestable things. In Jude, it says they practiced immorality. But it doesn't say they were destroyed because of it.

Sodom was destroyed because of general wickedness, not because of one sin. Yes, that sin is mentioned to show how wicked they were, but not to be construed as the only reason they were destroyed.

Excellent - I am surprised there is any question when the scriptures are so clear

 

[Yeshua1]

AGain that's Biblically incorrect and apparently some of yall just got an axe to grind against these folks. Scripture says what it says. For sure the homosexual offense was part of the sexual immorality. But Scripture is clear about why the city was estroyed and it was NOT the result of one sin.

the sexual perversion God judged was NOT adultary/fornication though, it was men lusting after other men, women after other women, exhanging the order god made for satanic order, and THAT brought down the wrath of God!

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

the sexual perversion God judged was NOT adultary/fornication though, it was men lusting after other men, women after other women, exhanging the order god made for satanic order, and THAT brought down the wrath of God!

Do you have scriptural evidence?

 

[Zaac]

the sexual perversion God judged was NOT adultary/fornication though,

There simply is no Scriptural basis for you to keep saying this. If there were no righteous people, are we to assume that every man, woman and child in that town were gay and indulging in gay sex and not a single person there was committing nongay fornication and adultery?

When things get out of control, it's usually everything as was demonstrated before the flood.

it was men lusting after other men, women after other women, exhanging the order god made for satanic order, and THAT brought down the wrath of God!

In part. But there is no Sciptural basis to say that was the primary reason or the only reason.

 

[Zaac]

Excellent - I am surprised there is any question when the scriptures are so clear

That's why I keep saying there is another motive because Scripture is surely clear on this.

 

[Aaron]

Yes it is as Scarlett's post shows.

Her post shot you down, dude. You're in denile, and I'm not speaking of a river in Egypt.

 

[Aaron]

How do we know which was primary?

Look at the Ezekiel passage - Ezekiel 16:49-50
Look, this was the iniquity of your sister Sodom:She and her daughter had pride, fullness of food, and abundance of idleness; neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty and committed abomination before Me; therefore I took them away as I saw fit.

Pride
Fullness of food and abundance of idleness - but did not strengthen the hand of the poor and needy
Haughty
Abomination

This was the iniquity of Sodom

Look at the nature of the destruction. Rewind to the days of Noah, and fast forward to A.D. 72 in Pompeii and Herculaneum. Take gander at the frescoes being restored.

(Posted before I was done.)

Now look at the nature of the judgments on pride and idolatry. What city in Canaan did God through nature destroy? Look at the pride and idolatry of Israel and Judah and the manner in which it was judged.

 

[Zaac]

Her post shot you down, dude. You're in denile, and I'm not speaking of a river in Egypt.

You obviously see something that no one else does. Her post complements what I mentioned from Scripture. There were no righteous people there and that clearly complements the additional Scripture that Scarlett posted.

But like I said, an ulterior motive is at hand.

 

[Aaron]

You obviously see something that no one else does.

You mean beside Jude?

But like I said, an ulterior motive is at hand.

In your activity here, yes.

 

[Yeshua1]

Do you have scriptural evidence?

yes, Jude and peter and Genesis passage shows us that God judged them for sins, that they were commiting sexual perversions, as going after 'strange flesh"

So?

5 Now I desire to remind you, though you know all things once for all, that [e]the Lord, after saving a people out of the land of Egypt, [f]subsequently destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after [g]strange flesh, are exhibited as an [h]example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

jude 1:5-6 Nasb

Note that the author attention is about "going after strange flesh", as angels went afterwomen, while men weft after other men!

Sodomy plain and simple, and for that God judged/destroyed them!

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

yes, Jude and peter and Genesis passage shows us that God judged them for sins, that they were commiting sexual perversions, as going after 'strange flesh"



So?

Just one verse that says God primarily judged Sodom for homosexuality please?

Ezekiel specifically says exactly why Sodom was judged. Where specifically does it list homosexuality.

No one denies that was one of the many sins, just looking for any indication it was primary.

If any sin was primary Ezekiel seems to say it was pride and, interestingly enough, neglecting the poor.

Why not harp on that sin?

 

[Revmitchell]

Jud 1:7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

 

[Yeshua1]

That's why I keep saying there is another motive because Scripture is surely clear on this.

jude said plainly that God judged them and destroyed them due to Himosexual activiies, being full on into that sexual perversion, was Jude wrong?

 

[Revmitchell]

2Pe 2:6 if by turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to ashes he condemned them to extinction, making them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
2Pe 2:7 and if he rescued righteous Lot, greatly distressed by the sensual conduct of the wicked

 

[Yeshua1]

Jud 1:7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

God zeroed in on THAT particular sinning, correct?

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

God zeroed in on THAT particular sinning, correct?

Even there you have to admit if shares the stage with all sexual immorality.

And you still can't just ignore Ezekiel who specifies the causes as causes.

The Jude passage illustrates the sin of the angels, that is why sexual sins of all sorts are used there.