Yes, I've read it.
No, I'm not going to go find a copy and research it to find citations for you.
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Does God Love Every Individual Person in the Same Manner?
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Yes, I've read it.
No, I'm not going to go find a copy and research it to find citations for you.
Why not start a thread yourself?
Just don't let it fall off.
Thank you
My previous question still stands: have I correctly identified your line of reasoning?
We are all born naturally as sons of Adam. Spiritually, sinners can be described as son's of Satan, because they follow his behavior. (John 8:44) Also: "in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience"— (Ephesians 2:2)
Our sonship is one of adoption. "he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will," (Ephesians 1:5)
Saved-By-Grace
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"For God so loved the WORLD..." (John 3:16)
Greek "kosmos", is used in this passage for the "whole human race"
Even the "champion" of so-called "Calvinism", says:
" That whosoever believeth on him may not perish. It is a remarkable commendation of faith, that it frees us from everlasting destruction. For he intended expressly to state that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life."
Note, Calvin does not use the term that "Calvinist" like, "all men without distinction", but "EXCEPTION", which can only mean EVERY HUMAN being EVER! Sadly Calvinists do not like what their own hero says here, and try to fudge or explain it away!
Greek "kosmos", is used in this passage for the "whole human race"
Even the "champion" of so-called "Calvinism", says:
" That whosoever believeth on him may not perish. It is a remarkable commendation of faith, that it frees us from everlasting destruction. For he intended expressly to state that, though we appear to have been born to death, undoubted deliverance is offered to us by the faith of Christ; and, therefore, that we ought not to fear death, which otherwise hangs over us. And he has employed the universal term whosoever, both to invite all indiscriminately to partake of life, and to cut off every excuse from unbelievers. Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life."
Note, Calvin does not use the term that "Calvinist" like, "all men without distinction", but "EXCEPTION", which can only mean EVERY HUMAN being EVER! Sadly Calvinists do not like what their own hero says here, and try to fudge or explain it away!
I'm not certain what your point is. Reformed folks have John 3:16 in our Bibles, too.
Saved-By-Grace
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Look at the OP about God's love for ALL people. It is a known fact that most "Reformed" deny that God loves any of the "non-elect"!
Does God love people He condemns to Hell?
Saved-By-Grace
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YES! They CHOOSE to reject the Gospel and send themselves to hell!
Why do you think that Jesus would have even bothered tell Judas, "it would have been far better if you were not born"? And weep over Jerusalem? because He knows what awaits their final destiny! He is moved by His GREAT Love and Compassion, which eludes most who follow "Calvinism"!
Apparently, your idea of love is quite different from mine.
Saved-By-Grace
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then yours must be different from God's! Explain John 3:16?
If all men are guilty and deserving Hell, yet God shows mercy to some by saving them, in Christ, He remains both loving and just. However, if God only provides a way yet fails to save anyone, He is neither.
Saved-By-Grace
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My friend, how you guys do NOT understand the Gospel! The Bible says God LOVES THE WORLD, and yet He, according to Calvinism, is only interested in SOME of HIS world whom He loves and wants to show them mercy. But the greater MAJORITY of HIS creation, though He LOVES. leaves damned!!! What a PERVERSION of the Gospel Message!
"deserving hell" is a injustice against God. Because hell is actively sin in separation of God.
Its like saying you deserve to spit in God's face.
Saved-By-Grace
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do you think anyone "deserves" heaven and to be forever with the Lord?
The Bible says many things. We must understand them all. For instance, we must understand that Jesus spoke in parables so that some people would not understand and turn. He also prayed before His death, not for all people, but for those the Father had given Him. We also know that God has elected some, not all, to salvation in Christ.
We must reconcile ALL of these things in order to be good students of His Word and come to a proper understanding of it.
That's where we have the advantage over them.
We have John 3:16 in our Bibles, but they don't have Romans 9 in theirs.
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