Does God Love Every Individual Person in the Same Manner?

[agedman]

No, scripture is clear that God is the one who judges, not us.

The passage says that, by rejecting the Word of God, they were judged unworthy of eternal life by their rejection of God's Word, not that they examined themselves and deemed themselves unworthy. That would contradict scripture, which says that every man proclaims his own righteousness.

This is exactly correct!

The Scripture is a lamp, a light to the path.
The Lord Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

“...by rejecting the Word of God, they were judged unworthy of eternal life by their rejection of God's Word, not that they examined themselves and deemed themselves unworthy. ”

“Condemned already.”

 

[Rhetorician]

Two presuppositions which Arminians (et al like them) bring into every discussion are, "Free Will", and God's "unconditional" love for every single person.

Does God love everyone in the same manner? Does He have electing love for every single person?

Brian,

If you really want to have this discussion, why then did you not start with the most obvious Scripture? Romans 9, "Jacob have I loved but Esau I have hated!"

Just saying!

rd

 

[utilyan]

Brian,

If you really want to have this discussion, why then did you not start with the most obvious Scripture? Romans 9, "Jacob have I loved but Esau I have hated!"

Just saying!

rd

Jesus Christ says:

Luke 14

26“If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

So have you killed your family and suicide because you hate your family and self?

Do you hate your family today?

Or could hate be a figure of speech as in Jacob was prioritized over Esau?

 

[utilyan]

This is exactly correct!

The Scripture is a lamp, a light to the path.
The Lord Jesus Christ is the light of the world.

“...by rejecting the Word of God, they were judged unworthy of eternal life by their rejection of God's Word, not that they examined themselves and deemed themselves unworthy. ”

“Condemned already.”

Who is rejecting truly?

17“For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

14“You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden; 15nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. 16“Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

22“The eye is the lamp of the body; so then if your eye is clear, your whole body will be full of light. 23“But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!


You guys got some made up sweet quotes with half the truth, I am slapping down actual holy scripture.

Jesus Christ is the light of the world, Amen, Jesus also says you are the light of the world AMEN!



Remember Calvinism says you don't get that initial regeneration not a single inch of regeneration until you hear the gospel.

So one must COOPERATE and Listen to the Gospel for any possibility of being elect.

 

[agedman]

Who is rejecting truly?

17“For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

14“You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden; 15nor does anyone light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on the lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. 16“Let your light shine before men in such a way that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father who is in heaven.

22“The eye is the lamp of the body; so then if your eye is clear, your whole body will be full of light. 23“But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light that is in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!


You guys got some made up sweet quotes with half the truth, I am slapping down actual holy scripture.

Jesus Christ is the light of the world, Amen, Jesus also says you are the light of the world AMEN!



Remember Calvinism says you don't get that initial regeneration not a single inch of regeneration until you hear the gospel.

So one must COOPERATE and Listen to the Gospel for any possibility of being elect.

John stated:

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

6There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. 8He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.

9There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man.10He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.​

Because “all have sinned,” and “all have turned to their own way,” there is no cooperation with the gospel, but those to whom God has “given ears to hear” will respond to His draw.

 

[Rhetorician]

Jesus Christ says:

Luke 14

26“If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

So have you killed your family and suicide because you hate your family and self?

Do you hate your family today?

Or could hate be a figure of speech as in Jacob was prioritized over Esau?

utilyan,

When you say, "Or could hate be a figure of speech as in Jacob was prioritized over Esa," in whatever way you take it; is that not the essence of the opening post? And I did not ask for you to dart to the Lord's call of discipleship as an interpretive tool.

What I asked and what I pointed out was that the Romans passage was the probably the best place to begin a discussion of the OP. For it so handily captures the point of the OP in my humble understanding.

If I have offended you then I am sorry. Please forgive.

But it does seem to me that much exegesis is done by making a bee line to another text to justify or qualify what we are doing at the time without dealing with the sometimes harsh realities of the texts at hand--just because of their difficulties or seem not to fit our sensitivities.

My thoughts.

Yours?

rd

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Remember Calvinism says you don't get that initial regeneration not a single inch of regeneration until you hear the gospel.

So one must COOPERATE and Listen to the Gospel for any possibility of being elect.

Source?

 

[thatbrian]

Jesus Christ says:

Luke 14

26“If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple.

So have you killed your family and suicide because you hate your family and self?

Do you hate your family today?

Or could hate be a figure of speech as in Jacob was prioritized over Esau?

If you want to refer to saving one and not the other, "prioritizing" that is fine with me.

 

[utilyan]

utilyan,

When you say, "Or could hate be a figure of speech as in Jacob was prioritized over Esa," in whatever way you take it; is that not the essence of the opening post? And I did not ask for you to dart to the Lord's call of discipleship as an interpretive tool.

What I asked and what I pointed out was that the Romans passage was the probably the best place to begin a discussion of the OP. For it so handily captures the point of the OP in my humble understanding.

If I have offended you then I am sorry. Please forgive.

But it does seem to me that much exegesis is done by making a bee line to another text to justify or qualify what we are doing at the time without dealing with the sometimes harsh realities of the texts at hand--just because of their difficulties or seem not to fit our sensitivities.

My thoughts.

Yours?

rd

Consistency. God said he hates Esau, okay he hates him. Jesus says you have to hate your mother and father.

Luke is a gospel came before Romans.

Do you hate your mother and father, do you hate your family?

Or does that just not fit your sensitivities?


I'm not saying Esau is a great guy, But there is no partiality with God.



These aren't just offshoot verses they are all connected:

25“He who loves his life loses it, and he who hates his life in this world will keep it to life eternal.



Read real closely:

Hebrews 12

14Pursue peace with all men, and the sanctification without which no one will see the Lord. 15See to it that no one comes short of the grace of God; that no root of bitterness springing up causes trouble, and by it many be defiled; 16that there be no immoral or godless person like Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. 17For you know that even afterwards, when he desired to inherit the blessing, he was rejected, for he found no place for repentance, though he sought for it with tears.


See to it no one comes short of the grace of God, Sounds like you have a pull in the grace of God.

Think about what Esau sold off, was he elect before he sold it, was it his?


Cause it really almost sounds like to me like Esau made some kind of mistake.



The idea God hates anyone really requires a person that would somehow cause God suffering, Its like God hating God.

Dealing with humans is a piece of cake.

 

[delizzle]

Are they al His children? Jesus answered that question. Do you agree with Him?

Technically, they are only His children after they are "grafted" in the tree of life. We are all His creations, but not all His creations are His children.

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[delizzle]

Two presuppositions which Arminians (et al like them) bring into every discussion are, "Free Will", and God's "unconditional" love for every single person.

Does God love everyone in the same manner? Does He have electing love for every single person?

There is a sense in which God loves everyone in the whole world (John 3:16; 1 John 2:2; Romans 5:8). This love in not conditional—it is rooted in God’s character and based on the fact that He is a God of love (1 John 4:8, 16). God’s love for everyone could be thought of as His “merciful love,” since it results in the fact that God does not immediately punish people for their sins (Romans 3:23; 6:23). “Your Father in heaven . . . causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous” (Matthew 5:45). This is another example of God’s love for everyone—His merciful love, His benevolence extended to everyone, not just to Christians.

God’s merciful love for the world is also manifested in that God gives people the opportunity to repent: “The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise. . . . Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance” (2 Peter 3:9). God’s unconditional love is related to His general call to salvation and what is often called His permissive or perfect will—that aspect of God’s will that reveals His attitude and defines what is pleasing to Him.

However, God’s love for everyone does not mean that everyone will be saved (see Matthew 25:46). God will not ignore sin, for He is a God of justice (2 Thessalonians 1:6). Sin cannot go unpunished forever (Romans 3:25–26). If God simply disregarded sin and allowed it to continue to wreak havoc in creation forever, then He would not be love. To ignore God’s merciful love, to reject Christ, or to deny the Savior who bought us (2 Peter 2:1) is to subject ourselves to God’s wrath for eternity (Romans 1:18), not His love.

The love of God that justifies sinners is not extended to everyone, only to those who have faith in Jesus Christ (Romans 5:1). The love of God that brings people into intimacy with Himself is not extended to everyone, only to those who love the Son of God (John 14:21). This love could be thought of as God’s “covenantal love,” and it is conditional, given only to those who place their faith in Jesus for salvation (John 3:36). Those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ are loved unconditionally, securely, forever.

Does God love everyone? Yes, He shows mercy and kindness to all. Does God love Christians more than He loves non-Christians? No, not in regards to His merciful love. Does God love Christians in a different way than He loves non-Christians? Yes; because believers have exercised faith in God’s Son, they are saved. God has a unique relationship with Christians in that only Christians have forgiveness based on God’s eternal grace. The unconditional, merciful love God has for everyone should bring us to faith, receiving with gratefulness the conditional, covenantal love He grants those who receive Jesus Christ as Savior.

(Source: GotQuestions.org)

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[Yeshua1]

Technically, they are only His children after they are "grafted" in the tree of life. We are all His creations, but not all His creations are His children.

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There are only 2 families in the Bible, either one is found in Adam. a lost sinner, or now found in Christ, a saved sinner!

 

[utilyan]

Thats really strange guys you know one of the first prayers I said is :

‘Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.


But I guess you as a parents teach you children to pray OUR GOD rather then OUR FATHER right? since you don't know if they they are his children right?

 

[Yeshua1]

Thats really strange guys you know one of the first prayers I said is :

‘Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.


But I guess you as a parents teach you children to pray OUR GOD rather then OUR FATHER right? since you don't know if they they are his children right?

Does anyone know if someone else is really saved?

 

[Mr. Davis]

Does anyone know if someone else is really saved?

"By their fruits [life] ye shall know..."

 

[Yeshua1]

"By their fruits [life] ye shall know..."

True, but he also stated that some would appear before Him who had works such as miracles and healings, and he would say to them to depart from Him!

 

[thatbrian]

"By their fruits [life] ye shall know..."

Context.

 

[utilyan]

Does anyone know if someone else is really saved?

Scripture says even a NON-Christian can spot a Christian.

34“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35“By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”


I can teach YOUR child the OUR FATHER. Do you teach them the OUR GOD instead? Because you are clueless if God loves them.

 

[delizzle]

Two presuppositions which Arminians (et al like them) bring into every discussion are, "Free Will", and God's "unconditional" love for every single person.

Does God love everyone in the same manner? Does He have electing love for every single person?

If your children asked you who you love the best, what would your answer be?

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[Yeshua1]

If your children asked you who you love the best, what would your answer be?

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The Bible tells me to love my wife enough to die in her place if need be, but not to love anothers wife in that same way!