Does That Make Me a Fundamentalist

[OldRegular]

I don't go to the Fundamentalist Forum very often but I frequently see fundamentalists slammed on other Forums. I have read the various definitions of Fundamentalism on that Forum and that of the Militant Fundamentalist seems to fit me best, that is: "expound all Biblical doctrine AND expose all error and compromise and those who believe such." Frankly I don't see anything to disparage in that definition. I believe all Christians should defend Biblical doctrine and expose error! Does that make me a Militant fundamentalist?

So I ask the question: Just what is a Fundamentalist?

I believe in the plenary, verbal inspiration of Scripture! Does that make me a fundamentalist?

I believe The LORD our God is one LORD, that He is self existent and transcends all of His creation, and is revealed in Scripture as three distinct persons: Father, Word, and Holy Spirit. Does that make me a fundamentalist?

I reject any teaching/belief that would compromise the integrity of the creation story of Genesis, the real persons of Adam and Eve, and their rebellion against God, the Fall! Does that make me a fundamentalist?

I believe in the Scriptural teachings of the Doctrines of Grace and that these Doctrines magnify the Grace of God. Does that make me a fundamentalist?

I believe that Salvation is by Grace alone and that those so saved are created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Does that make me a fundamentalist?

I reject the dispensational interpretation of Scripture introduced by John Darby and popularized in this country by the Scofield Bible. Does that make me a fundamentalist?

I believe in the local Church, the local body of Jesus Christ, as an independent body accountable only to God. Does that make me a fundamentalist?

I believe in the Universal Church, an invisible body, consisting of all the redeemed of all time to be revealed at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Does that make me a fundamentalist?

I believe that the local Church should consist of only Baptized believers. Does that make me a fundamentalist?

I believe that the officers of the local Church consists of elders [preachers] and deacons. Does that make me a fundamentalist?

I believe the Biblical ordinances of the local Church are Baptism of believers, the Lord’s Supper participated in only by Baptized believers, and the washing of feet participated in only by Baptized believers> Does that make me a fundamentalist?

 

[Salty]

According to Liberals, a fundy is anyone more conservative than a liberal

 

[righteousdude2]

One Question....

....when Jesus was walking the streets in and teaching those who'd listen, was HE considered a "Fundamentalist?"

If He was a fundamentalist, then so am I, because I work to emulate Jesus in my walk and talk! :wavey:

 

[Old Union Brother]

Well, OldRegular.....I'm an Old Regular Baptist! Does that make me a fundamentalist?

 

[OldRegular]

Well, OldRegular.....I'm an Old Regular Baptist! Does that make me a fundamentalist?

Makes you truly blessed by God!

 

[SolaSaint]

I'm proud to be a fundamentalist. The name has been abused by many in wrong ways.

 

[go2church]

Maybe. In Baptist circles I would say that being a fundamentalist has as much to do with practice as it does to belief. Can you agree to disagree? Are there primary and secondary doctrinal issues or are they all primary?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Well, OldRegular.....I'm an Old Regular Baptist! Does that make me a fundamentalist?

Jeff...for the life of me, I can't disagree with OR's list can you? Must make us rare find these days!

OR...you are on the opposite spectrum from a Catholic ... praise God :thumbs:

 

[Crabtownboy]

....when Jesus was walking the streets in and teaching those who'd listen, was HE considered a "Fundamentalist?"

If He was a fundamentalist, then so am I, because I work to emulate Jesus in my walk and talk! :wavey:

Actually the fundamentalists of his day, the Pharisees, considered him very liberal. He did so many things that the Pharisees hated; i.e.
Jesus ate with sinners.
Jesus talked to women.
Jesus talked to the Samaritan woman. No one who was righteous would ever speak to a Samaritan man much less a woman.
Jesus did what they considered work on the Sabbath,
Jesus showed the Pharisees their errors in their understand of scripture ... and they had lots and lots of scripture memorized.
Jesus did not adhere to the OT laws as they, the Pharisees, interpreted them.
Jesus healed lepers, the unclean whom the Pharisees saw as unworthy and unapproachable ... cursed of God.
Jesus healed the blind and Pharisees knew they were blind because of some sin, either theirs or their parents.
Jesus fed the hungry.
Jesus let children come to him. Unthinkable to the Pharisees.

Just a short list of ways Jesus drove the fundamentalists of his day crazy because of his, Jesus', liberal ways.

In the culture of his time, Jesus was extremely liberal.


I have met Baptists from some Eastern European countries who would consider the most fundamental person on this board as liberal and too culturally Western liberal in their interpretation of the Bible and beliefs.

Some attributes that was considered fundamental when I was a kid are not even considered as either liberal or conservative these days. It seem that "fundamental" and "liberal" changes as culture changes.

 

[OldRegular]

Actually the Pharisees would be considered the liberals of today because they changed the teaching of Scripture to suit their desires.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Actually the Pharisees would be considered the liberals of today because they changed the teaching of Scripture to suit their desires.

In summary, leading one to question, "Whatever happened to the gospel of Sovereign Grace?" I only know that it is lost when we decide to accept the worlds theology of human achievement emphasizing our own personal contributions to salvation. I would suggest that what has replaced the gospel of grace is new beliefs that are partially biblical but untimely self-centered. So I applaud your defining yourself Old Regular, something Ive been meaning to do myself.

Thanks for the resolute stance. Thats an anchor to hold on to. :godisgood:

 

[michael-acts17:11]

Fundamentalists, legalistic fundamental baptists for the purpose of this discussion, put the label, "liberal", on any person or group of persons who do not adhere to their personal standards of conduct, dress, music, etc. Their standard is full of extra-biblical rules & traditions. It is an unScriptural term that has its roots in politics, not religion. The Pharisees would certainly fall into the camp of modern "fundamentalists". They impose their own traditions & rules as equal with Scripture and condemn those who will not adhere to them as being out of God's will at best & unsaved at worst. Christ condemned the Pharisees but spent His time with those whom they condemned. Fundamental Baptists would do well to rethink their position in light of this truth.

Fundamental Baptists also change Scripture, adding to it & ignoring what does not fit their beliefs, to suit their own desires.


Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?
He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. ...Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye. (Mark 7:5-9, 13)

And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples. And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners? (Matthew 9:10-11)

But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. (Matthew 12:2)

Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. (Matthew 23:2-8)

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Fundamentalists, legalistic fundamental baptists for the purpose of this discussion, put the label, "liberal", on any person or group of persons who do not adhere to their personal standards of conduct, dress, music, etc. Their standard is full of extra-biblical rules & traditions. It is an unScriptural term that has its roots in politics, not religion. The Pharisees would certainly fall into the camp of modern "fundamentalists". They impose their own traditions & rules as equal with Scripture and condemn those who will not adhere to them as being out of God's will at best & unsaved at worst. Christ condemned the Pharisees but spent His time with those whom they condemned. Fundamental Baptists would do well to rethink their position in light of this truth.

Fundamental Baptists also change Scripture, adding to it & ignoring what does not fit their beliefs, to suit their own desires.

That is but one persons opinion. Your viewpoint if you will.....(a view from a point) & it would be interesting to know how you formulated it.

 

[Yeshua1]

I don't go to the Fundamentalist Forum very often but I frequently see fundamentalists slammed on other Forums. I have read the various definitions of Fundamentalism on that Forum and that of the Militant Fundamentalist seems to fit me best, that is: "expound all Biblical doctrine AND expose all error and compromise and those who believe such." Frankly I don't see anything to disparage in that definition. I believe all Christians should defend Biblical doctrine and expose error! Does that make me a Militant fundamentalist?

So I ask the question: Just what is a Fundamentalist?

I believe in the plenary, verbal inspiration of Scripture! Does that make me a fundamentalist?

I believe The LORD our God is one LORD, that He is self existent and transcends all of His creation, and is revealed in Scripture as three distinct persons: Father, Word, and Holy Spirit. Does that make me a fundamentalist?

I reject any teaching/belief that would compromise the integrity of the creation story of Genesis, the real persons of Adam and Eve, and their rebellion against God, the Fall! Does that make me a fundamentalist?

I believe in the Scriptural teachings of the Doctrines of Grace and that these Doctrines magnify the Grace of God. Does that make me a fundamentalist?

I believe that Salvation is by Grace alone and that those so saved are created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Does that make me a fundamentalist?

I reject the dispensational interpretation of Scripture introduced by John Darby and popularized in this country by the Scofield Bible. Does that make me a fundamentalist?

I believe in the local Church, the local body of Jesus Christ, as an independent body accountable only to God. Does that make me a fundamentalist?

I believe in the Universal Church, an invisible body, consisting of all the redeemed of all time to be revealed at the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. Does that make me a fundamentalist?

I believe that the local Church should consist of only Baptized believers. Does that make me a fundamentalist?

I believe that the officers of the local Church consists of elders [preachers] and deacons. Does that make me a fundamentalist?

I believe the Biblical ordinances of the local Church are Baptism of believers, the Lord’s Supper participated in only by Baptized believers, and the washing of feet participated in only by Baptized believers> Does that make me a fundamentalist?

Think that BOTH fundamentalists and Evangelical hold to basically same doctrines , its just that IF you practice stricter seperation, and if you tend to not get into modern views/takes, 'critical scholarship", then you would fit more into a Fundamentalist mold...

 

[OldRegular]

Fundamentalists, legalistic fundamental baptists for the purpose of this discussion, put the label, "liberal", on any person or group of persons who do not adhere to their personal standards of conduct, dress, music, etc. Their standard is full of extra-biblical rules & traditions. It is an unScriptural term that has its roots in politics, not religion. The Pharisees would certainly fall into the camp of modern "fundamentalists". They impose their own traditions & rules as equal with Scripture and condemn those who will not adhere to them as being out of God's will at best & unsaved at worst. Christ condemned the Pharisees but spent His time with those whom they condemned. Fundamental Baptists would do well to rethink their position in light of this truth.

Fundamental Baptists also change Scripture, adding to it & ignoring what does not fit their beliefs, to suit their own desires.

The above ad hominem attack is the very reason I started this OP. You make a serious charge in your last statement. You should be able to provide some proof.

 

[Yeshua1]

The above ad hominem attack is the very reason I started this OP. You make a serious charge in your last statement. You should be able to provide some proof.

I would say that Fundamentalists practice primary/secondary seperation more so than Evangelicals do, and that they are more "suspect" of using current schalarship/interacting with it in the field of biblical studies/versions etc...

 

[michael-acts17:11]

That is but one persons opinion. Your viewpoint if you will.....(a view from a point) & it would be interesting to know how you formulated it.

I call myself a recovering fundamentalist. I was once as blind as they; until I chose to quit disregarding the Word in lieu of fundamentalist doctrine. These are facts that I have witnessed in several churches over thirty years. I have attended a Southern Baptist church for about ten years now, and I continue to meet people who have come out of that spiritually destructive CULTure with the same "viewpoint" as mine. My "viewpoint" was from within the beast; therefore, my "opinion" is based upon observed facts & experience.

 

[Yeshua1]

I call myself a recovering fundamentalist. I was once as blind as they; until I chose to quit disregarding the Word in lieu of fundamentalist doctrine. These are facts that I have witnessed in several churches over thirty years. I have attended a Southern Baptist church for about ten years now, and I continue to meet people who have come out of that spiritually destructive CULTure with the same "viewpoint" as mine. My "viewpoint" was from within the beast; therefore, my "opinion" is based upon observed facts & experience.

Think there is a "good" version of it, which would mean having strong morals, strong doctrines, living as a christian in dark culture etc

Think "bad: version also, that requires one to live apart from all "worldly: influences, and to stay apart from other christians who are 'worldly" and not living up to our standards!

 

[OldRegular]

I call myself a recovering fundamentalist. I was once as blind as they; until I chose to quit disregarding the Word in lieu of fundamentalist doctrine. These are facts that I have witnessed in several churches over thirty years. I have attended a Southern Baptist church for about ten years now, and I continue to meet people who have come out of that spiritually destructive CULTure with the same "viewpoint" as mine. My "viewpoint" was from within the beast; therefore, my "opinion" is based upon observed facts & experience.

You have told us nothing about "that spiritually destructive CULTure"? It would beneficial to do so! In the OP I said:

I have read the various definitions of Fundamentalism on that Forum and that of the Militant Fundamentalist seems to fit me best, that is: "expound all Biblical doctrine AND expose all error and compromise and those who believe such." Frankly I don't see anything to disparage in that definition. I believe all Christians should defend Biblical doctrine and expose error! Does that make me a Militant fundamentalist?

So tell us all just what is "that spiritually destructive CULTure"!

 

[Yeshua1]

You have told us nothing about "that spiritually destructive CULTure"? It would beneficial to do so! In the OP I said:


So tell us all just what is "that spiritually destructive CULTure"!

One that wantsto seperate totally from culture/society, that looks with suspcion on others who do things not the 'biblical way', and who tends to ignore ingaging the critics of the faith, and just have an attitude of being spititually superior, as have the right doctrines, and not being "in the world!"