Does what is actually true really matter to you?

[37818]

Ahh, that’s changing with the Woke “Idiot” culture.

Existence exists. Existence is fundamentally self evident. Anything that is self evident is self evident because it exists.

 

[tyndale1946]

I will not answer the question but go to scripture for the answer

2 Timothy 4: 2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

Truth comes from rightly dividing the word of truth, I don't invent it... Brother Glen

 

[canadyjd]

So are you saying 1 + 1 equaling 2 does not need God to be true? In which case, there never needs to be any kind of god, let alone God. Whom we who are genuine Christians should know. John 17:3.

What?????? No, I’m not saying that. I’m not even sure what you are saying.

Yiu seem to be saying since 1+1=2, that is evidence God exist. I don’t recall any passage of scripture that supports that, but I am open to being educated.

peace to you

 

[Van]

In a thread about sticking to truth, I see this whopper has been posted:

Scripture tells us the truth of God’s existence should be obvious from His creation. We also know from scripture the effect of sin in the lives of humans has caused them, everyone, to reject this revelation of God found in creation.​

What scripture says everyone because of sin rejects the revelation of God from what He has made. That would mean we have an excuse, but we have none, because God has made Himself clear to us. See Romans 1:19

 

[37818]

What?????? No, I’m not saying that. I’m not even sure what you are saying.

Y[o]u seem to be saying since 1+1=2, that is evidence God exist. I don’t recall any passage of scripture that supports that, but I am open to being educated.

peace to you

Acts of the Apostles 17:28, ". . . For in him we live, and move, and have our being; . . ."
John 14:6, ". . . Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. . . ."
John 1:1-3, ". . . the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. . . ."

 

[George Antonios]

Man. That's true. I thought the world of JMac and his writings on Lordship Salvation had a big part in convincing me that there was something to this Calvinism stuff. I was blown away when I read a book on God's sovereignty written by top Calvinist academics of today that completely dismissed JMac's views.

I also have actually read a lot of Puritans and what they said was not even close to what the internet Calvinist warriors are saying. And if you really want a shocker, read Augustine himself. I'm not saying he's Catholic. But he wouldn't last a second in most Reformed churches today either.

Also, I have found that there is more diverse opinion among Calvinists than between a lot of moderate Calvinists and regular Baptists.

And the most helpful thing I have discovered is that most people's opinions are much more affected by the group that they perceive as being important to be member in good standing of than any real evaluation of the truth of the positions.

Refreshing words of sanity. God bless you.

 

[canadyjd]

In a thread about sticking to truth, I see this whopper has been posted:

Scripture tells us the truth of God’s existence should be obvious from His creation. We also know from scripture the effect of sin in the lives of humans has caused them, everyone, to reject this revelation of God found in creation.​

What scripture says everyone because of sin rejects the revelation of God from what He has made. That would mean we have an excuse, but we have none, because God has made Himself clear to us. See Romans 1:19

Your ignorance of scripture is breathtaking, especially for someone presenting himself as a guide for understanding scripture.

peace to you

 

[Salty]

Your ignorance of scripture is breathtaking, especially for someone presenting himself as a guide for understanding scripture.

Ignorance or different interpretation?

 

[JonC]

Ignorance or different interpretation?

That's the key. People (well meaning Christians) mistake their understanding/ interpretation of Scripture as objective truth when in fact it is as subjective as it gets.

Scripture is objective. Scripture is truth. Our interpretations are understandings of that truth.

I suggest taking a highlighter and highlighting Scripture. That is truth. That is objective. That remains regardless of us. Now explain what that means to you. That is subjective.

 

[canadyjd]

Ignorance or different interpretation?

Ignorance

I notice you didn’t ask him if it was just a different interpretation when he called me a liar.

peace to you

 

[AustinC]

Ignorance or different interpretation?

It's either ignorance or a purposeful misinterpretation of scripture in order to spread a doctrine not held by any Baptist church.

Which one do you think it is, Salty?

 

[Alan Gross]

Matthew 7:21-23, ". . . Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. . . ."

They had, "assurance", but in error. They were not saved.

 

[Alan Gross]

The Foundation of Reason, CREATED BY GOD,
which permits 1+1=2 and for 1+1=2 to CONTINUE TO BE TRUE,
from day to day, is PROOF of THE EXISTANCE of GOD.

RE; 'What is your understanding of God being a self-evident truth? Like the concept of 1 + 1;= 2?'

 

[37818]

RE; 'What is your understanding of God being a self-evident truth? Like the concept of 1 + 1;= 2?'

Note: Existence like God is omnipresent. In which we "live and move and have our being."
God's Hebrew Name in the third person means, self "Existent."

Now existence exists. And self evident truths are self evident because they obviously exist.

Now God Himself is the fundamental self evident truth by which all other self evident truths are able to be self evident. See Acts of the Apostles 17:28, ". . . For in him we live, and move, and have our being; . . ."

 

[Van]

Your ignorance of scripture is breathtaking, especially for someone presenting himself as a guide for understanding scripture.

peace to you

Yet another use of the fallacy of an against the person argument.

Here again is what I said, "
In a thread about sticking to truth, I see this whopper has been posted:
Scripture tells us the truth of God’s existence should be obvious from His creation. We also know from scripture the effect of sin in the lives of humans has caused them, everyone, to reject this revelation of God found in creation.
What scripture says everyone because of sin rejects the revelation of God from what He has made. That would mean we have an excuse, but we have none, because God has made Himself clear to us. See Romans 1:19

So I am on the side of taking Romans 1:19 for what it says, and the whopper is breathtaking in its ignorance of scripture.

 

[Salty]

Ignorance or different interpretation?

EWF, I dont think my answer is funny - It was a very serious post!
and I find calling a poster "ignornat" as a poor way to describe someone on this board.

 

[canadyjd]

EWF, I dont think my answer is funny - It was a very serious post!
and I find calling a poster "ignornat" as a poor way to describe someone on this board.

I apologize for referring to Van as ignorant. I’ll bow out

In post #24, Van called me a liar. Does that offend you

peace to you

 

[Salty]

I apologize for referring to Van as ignorant. I’ll bow out

In post #24, Van called me a liar. Does that offend you

peace to you

YEs it does -
but I do not monitor this 24 hours a day -
proper action - hit report - then we will deal with it.

 

[canadyjd]

YEs it does -
but I do not monitor this 24 hours a day -
proper action - hit report - then we will deal with it.

For the record, we were having a civil discussion in this thread about whether truth matters to us until Van introduced his usual personal attacks.

I was responding to another poster. Van repeated what I said, called it a “whopper”, which means a big lie, and then quoted the passage of scripture which demonstrates I am correct, as if it meant the opposite of what I said and disproved my statement.

I didn’t call Van a liar. I didn’t say he is stupid. What I said was he is ignorant of what this passage of scripture means. I am accurate in my assessment. He is ignorant of the truth of Romans 1.

And now I have said all that I want in this thread since it has been hijacked.

peace to you

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

EWF, I dont think my answer is funny - It was a very serious post!
and I find calling a poster "ignornat" as a poor way to describe someone on this board.

EWF, I dont think my answer is funny - It was a very serious post!
and I find calling a poster "ignornat" as a poor way to describe someone on this board.

You are misquoting Cana, he did not use the word ignorant to describe anyone… rather he used ignorance… specially, your ignorance of scripture as a declarative statement The first can be construed as an insult, why the other can be taken to mean that one does not have enough of something to make the comment… two very different situations. My laughter merely reflects that recognition.