Dominion vs determinism

[Silverhair]

Excepting for the section, "Confessional Standards", that is the teaching of God's Word, the gospel of Christ.

At Grace Baptist Church of Ruston, Louisiana, I don't recall the 1689 Baptist Confession of Faith, or any such thing as that, ever being mentioned.

Ken SGB's hold to the DoG/TULIP which is calvinism whether you recall it being mentioned or not.

 

[KenH]

Well, if you had spent certain times around me in my house, you would know better, as to what my opinion is of myself. Being old and living alone, I talk to myself a lot; well, and to my dogs, too.

I also talk do a lot of coaching from the couch when I am watching San Antonio Spurs and Houston Astros games. I think my dogs have finally gotten used to it; my chattering seemed to bother them and they would look at me like, "What are you talking about?"

 

[Silverhair]

Yes, it is.

Only when you read it into the text.

 

[KenH]

Ken SGB's hold to the DoG/TULIP which is calvinism whether you recall it being mentioned or not.

One does not have to read some man-made confession to understand the gospel of Christ - that is the work of God in opening the hearts of His elect and of the Holy Spirit in regenerating them and giving them spiritual life.

 

[Silverhair]

One does not have to read some man-made confession to understand the gospel of Christ - that is the work of God in opening the hearts of His elect and of the Holy Spirit in regenerating them and giving them spiritual life.

And there you go falling back into your calvinism again.

Ken you do remind me of an old JW that I had a number of discussions with. Through our talks he came to realize that his views were wrong but he was so committed to them that he just could not change as it would cost him to much.

By your words your salvation is based on your being elect not on your faith in Christ Jesus.

 

[KenH]

Only when you read it into the text.

Not so.

 

[KenH]

By your words your salvation is based on your being elect not on your faith in Christ Jesus.

My salvation, the salvation of anyone whom God saves, is based on Christ's finished work on their behalf and His having fulfilled all of the conditions for their salvation.

 

[KenH]

Ken you do remind me of an old JW that I had a number of discussions with. Through our talks he came to realize that his views were wrong but he was so committed to them that he just could not change as it would cost him to much.

You will never, ever convince to turn from Christ, Silverhair.

 

[Silverhair]

Not so.

Psa 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. KJV

Ken show me where God has made them willing? It is not in the text.

willing H5071 as I pointed out before means freewill, voluntary.

 

[KenH]

Ken show me where God has made them willing?

Psalm 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of Thy power.

(emphasis mine)

"shall be", not may be, not might be, but shall. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

 

[Silverhair]

My salvation, the salvation of anyone whom God saves, is based on Christ's finished work on their behalf and His having fulfilled all of the conditions for their salvation.

As you said God saves those that fulfill all the conditions of their salvation.
Joh 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Faith is the condition of salvation not the result of salvation as your false philosophy says.
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

Christ died so that all could be saved but only those that have freely trusted in Him will be saved.
Joh 3:17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

That is the point that you continue to reject, the person has to trust in Christ Jesus as God does not do it for them.

 

[KenH]

As you said God saves those that fulfill all the conditions of their salvation.

And Christ fulfilled all of the conditions for their salvation. There is no condition left for God's elect to fulfill.

Faith in the Christ's finished work on their behalf and repentance of dead works are fruits resulting from salvation, from having been regenerated by the Holy Spirit under the hearing of the gospel of Christ. Faith and repentance are not the cause salvation.

 

[KenH]

Faith is the condition of salvation not the result of salvation as your false philosophy says.

Your statement is false. Faith is a fruit of salvation, not the cause of salvation.

 

[Silverhair]

Psalm 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of Thy power.

(emphasis mine)

"shall be", not may be, not might be, but shall. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

There is your error Ken. Those words are not in the text, they were added.

Why do you ignore what the text actually says?

Even the NKJV got it right

Psa 110:3 Your people shall be volunteers In the day of Your power;

No one is made a volunteer.

 

[KenH]

Christ died so that all could be saved but only those that have freely trusted in Him will be saved.

Christ died only for God's elect, those He chose before the world began, and gave to His Son to be their Surety and fulfill all of the conditions of their salvation.

Christ died to actually save His people, not to make all people salvable.

 

[Silverhair]

And Christ fulfilled all of the conditions for their salvation. There is no condition left for God's elect to fulfill.

Faith in the Christ's finished work on their behalf and repentance of dead works are fruits resulting from salvation, from having been regenerated by the Holy Spirit under the hearing of the gospel of Christ. Faith and repentance are not the cause salvation.

God is the cause of our salvation as a result of us fulfilling all the conditions of our salvation, faith in His risen son.

 

[KenH]

Joh 3:17 "For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him.

The world that God saves are all of the Jews and Gentiles that God chose before the world began, and gave to His Son to be their Surety and fulfill all of the conditions of their salvation.

 

[Silverhair]

Your statement is false. Faith is a fruit of salvation, not the cause of salvation.

You will have to take that up with Christ as He disagrees with your view

Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already,

 

[KenH]

That is the point that you continue to reject, the person has to trust in Christ Jesus as God does not do it for them.

God did not believe for me, but I only believe because of His power in making me willing to believe. I did not somehow well it up from within my own fallen flesh.

 

[Silverhair]

Christ died only for God's elect, those He chose before the world began, and gave to His Son to be their Surety and fulfill all of the conditions of their salvation.

Christ died to actually save His people, not to make all people salvable.

That is calvinism 101 again Ken.

Joh 3:17 "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.