Donald Trump Releases Plan to Make Mexico Pay for Border Wall

[Aaron]

You keep avoiding the question. Here it is:

If your church wanted to wire money to a missionary in another country, they should be required to go to an approved "electronic money transfer agent" (or other entity), show their driver's license, and fill out a form before they are allowed to send the money?

That's not the question. The question is how to deal with prolific influx of illegals in the U.S. We're not talking about a few thousand, we're talking millions. Decades ago, Walter Buchanan identified it as an invasion.

(I know, you can't listen to Buchanan because he's not a Socialist.)

It's an extraordinary situation, and money in and out of the country and between states falls under the regulatory power of Congress. They can do just about any thing they want about that, and it isn't an infringement on any Constitutional right.

 

[InTheLight]

It's an extraordinary situation, and money in and out of the country and between states falls under the regulatory power of Congress. They can do just about any thing they want about that, and it isn't an infringement on any Constitutional right.

Hmmm... the state controlling the transfer of money amongst citizens. Why....that sounds like.....Socialism. HA HA!! And you are in favor of it.

Say no more.

 

[Aaron]

Hmmm... the state controlling the transfer of money amongst citizens. Why....that sounds like.....Socialism. HA HA!! And you are in favor of it.

Say no more.

Dude. Congress has the power to coin money and regulate it's value. It also has the power to regulate interstate commerce, and anything going in and out of the country. It always has. The Constitution seems to be above your head. I doubt you could pour water out of a boot if the instructions were written on the bottom. And you sit in judgment of Trump's ideas on foreign policy?

 

[Zaac]

Brother ... it takes "nuts" to recognize "nuts!" Only saying!? It is clear to me that you despise Trump. For your sake I hope he loses. For years of Trump may drive you to drink and a huge ulcer.

That's another something in which your eyes are obviously foggy. I don't despise anyone and pray for the man daily. But he's as bigoted as you are.

And you don't have to worry about anyone driving me to drink. Never had a drop and the likes of a Donald Trump Presidency wouldn't change that.

My decisions to honor Christ aren't dictated or affected by who sits in the White House.

 

[Zaac]

More remittances originate from the US than any other country. Here is a graph:

Blocking remittances to Mexico may not be the best tool available, but there no use saying it wouldn't work, or that they'd have to shut down the internet or whatever. Remittances to Iran and other countries have been in effect to years. It is definitely possible to apply pressure to Mexico in that way.

If I want to send money to Iran, all I have to do is send it to a third country and have an agent send it to Iran. There's an added fee. But the US can't block remittances from every other country in the world.

Gosh you talk about a money maker. If the US blocks remittances to Mexico, you set up an offshore company to receive remittances to be sent to Mexico. Cha Ching!

 

[Lewis]

If I want to send money to Iran, all I have to do is send it to a third country and have an agent send it to Iran. There's an added fee. But the US can't block remittances from every other country in the world.

Gosh you talk about a money maker. If the US blocks remittances to Mexico, you set up an offshore company to receive remittances to be sent to Mexico. Cha Ching!

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...ican-charities-struggle-send-money-iran.html#
"Iranian-Americans have long complained that US sanctions force them to use murky channels to send and receive money from Iran. Hopes that the nuclear negotiations would make it easier to conduct such transactions have not been realized, even as Iran has gained access to several billion dollars in oil revenues that had been frozen in foreign accounts."

So yes, you can find workarounds to about anything if you try hard enough. But the fact is remittances to Iran have long been a difficulty.

Mexico receives $25 billion a year in remittances from the US, more than they make from oil sales. If the US govt decided to tax those transactions, not block them, there would easily be enough to build a dandy wall.

 

[InTheLight]

Dude. Congress has the power to coin money and regulate it's value. It also has the power to regulate interstate commerce, and anything going in and out of the country. It always has. The Constitution seems to be above your head. I doubt you could pour water out of a boot if the instructions were written on the bottom. And you sit in judgment of Trump's ideas on foreign policy?

Dude. Sending money to Mexico is not interstate commerce. Nothing is being bought or traded.

You say the government can regulate "anything going in and out of the country". I'd like to see a citation for that.

Does that include electrons? Radio waves? Wind? Sunshine?

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[Zaac]

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...ican-charities-struggle-send-money-iran.html#
"Iranian-Americans have long complained that US sanctions force them to use murky channels to send and receive money from Iran. Hopes that the nuclear negotiations would make it easier to conduct such transactions have not been realized, even as Iran has gained access to several billion dollars in oil revenues that had been frozen in foreign accounts."

So yes, you can find workarounds to about anything if you try hard enough. But the fact is remittances to Iran have long been a difficulty.

Mexico receives $25 billion a year in remittances from the US, more than they make from oil sales. If the US govt decided to tax those transactions, not block them, there would easily be enough to build a dandy wall.

I do some consulting for some MNOs who primary business is building apps that allow remittances to be sent to Mexico and Central and South America. With the development of mobile commerce, there's not too much that needs to be done to send remittances to Mexico, Iran or any of the sanctioned countries if you want. we would have to police the internet the way that China does. And in the US, that's a tremendously tall task to ask of a government who has to beg Apple to crack the encryption on a phone.

There's just too many brilliant people in the United States that would jump into that space be it black market, deep web or something else.

The only way to tax the remittances is to tax the company sending them. And all they have to do is set up their corporate offices else where as so many companies do.

 

[Revmitchell]

Dude. Sending money to Mexico is not interstate commerce. Nothing is being bought or traded.

You say the government can regulate "anything going in and out of the country". I'd like to see a citation for that.

Does that include electrons? Radio waves? Wind? Sunshine?

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Now you are just being silly.

 

[InTheLight]

Now you are just being silly.

Why? Are electrons regulated? Can the US government intercept radio waves?

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[Aaron]

Now you are just being silly.

The guy is a closet liberal.

 

[Aaron]

Dude. Sending money to Mexico is not interstate commerce. Nothing is being bought or traded.

You say the government can regulate "anything going in and out of the country". I'd like to see a citation for that.

Google "constitution international commerce"

Sheesh. You're not only less educated than Trump, you're lazy, too.

 

[Salty]

You say the government can regulate "anything going in and out of the country". I'd like to see a citation for that. ...

You do realize that when you enter (and sometimes even leave) the US - you are subject to the US Customs and Border Protection Agency.

 

[InTheLight]

The guy is a closet liberal.

 

[InTheLight]

Google "constitution international commerce"

Tells me nothing. Why don't you explain where Congress has the authority to stop radio waves from going into space, being relayed by a satellite and then going into another country? This is essentially what is happening when someone "wires" money to another country from their PC.

Sheesh. You're not only less educated than Trump, you're lazy, too.

Ad-homs again.

Why don't you give me a link? Are you lazy?

 

[InTheLight]

You do realize that when you enter (and sometimes even leave) the US - you are subject to the US Customs and Border Protection Agency.

I'm talking about electrons crossing borders via radio waves, not people.

 

[Zaac]

Tells me nothing. Why don't you explain where Congress has the authority to stop radio waves from going into space, being relayed by a satellite and then going into another country? This is essentially what is happening when someone "wires" money to another country from their PC.




Ad-homs again.

Why don't you give me a link? Are you lazy?

Waiting. This should be good.

 

[777]

Alright, I'm beginning to think Trump will go nowhere with this plan to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it, but there is constitutional authority for this - try Article I Sec.8.

This part:

Section 8.
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei

 

[InTheLight]

Alright, I'm beginning to think Trump will go nowhere with this plan to build a wall and make Mexico pay for it, but there is constitutional authority for this - try Article I Sec.8.

This part:

Section 8.
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei

OK, I suppose if they called the interdiction of money transfers a tax it would be constitutional.

Hmmm...where have we heard that before? Oh yeah. The rationale for the ObamaCare mandate being held to be constitutional was that it was ruled a tax.

 

[Revmitchell]

Why? Are electrons regulated? Can the US government intercept radio waves?

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What do these electrons represent?