Don't feed the Commie

[Crabtownboy]

[SIZE=+1]A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Yes or No: do you favor this?

Yes or No: do you favor government controlled schools?
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Sorry Alcott. Those are not tenets of Communism.

 

[Crabtownboy]

My John Birch Society membership card will protect me. :tongue3:

Could be, but then there are those folk who might accuse you of being a mole. Watch out. :laugh:

 

[Bro. Curtis]

The Tenth step in Chapter Two, "Proletarians and Communists" states:

"Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc., etc." (Yes, the actual text says "etc., etc..")


Seems we DO know a little about this, eh ?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Could be, but then there are those folk who might accuse you of being a mole. Watch out. :laugh:

He has zero to fear.

 

[padredurand]

"He might look dumb, but that's just a disguise."

"Now watch him Folks cause he's a thoroughly dangerous man!"
You may not know it but this man is a spy.
He's a undercover agent for the FBI
And he's been sent down here to infiltrate the Ku Klux Klan!"

 

[Crabtownboy]

The Tenth step in Chapter Two, "Proletarians and Communists" states:

"Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc., etc." (Yes, the actual text says "etc., etc..")


Seems we DO know a little about this, eh ?

Thomas Jefferson advocated free education for all children. Was he a Commie?

Do you support child labor in factories?

Reference to the book please. Still you are not listing Communist tenets.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Thomas Jefferson ? He wanted government control of schools ? Can you prove this ?

And look up the book, based on my quotes. You'll be surprised where they come from.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

The truth is, Jefferson wanted the Feds out of the public schools.

….The key to local school districts, according to Jefferson, is that they give parents direct and ultimate control over how their children are educated. To suppose that schools will he better managed by “any authority of the government, than by the parents within each ward…is a belief against all experience.” A government can no more manage schools than it can manage “our farms, our mills, and merchants’ stores.” Elementary education should be the concern of local communities under the supervision of parents; it should not be controlled by the federal or state governments.

Extreme decentralization was thus the centerpiece of Jefferson’s plan for public schools, and he warned of the potential consequences should this feature be ignored…..

http://www.libertarianism.org/publi...ions/thomas-jefferson-public-education-part-1

 

[Bro. Curtis]

"Now watch him Folks cause he's a thoroughly dangerous man!"
You may not know it but this man is a spy.
He's a undercover agent for the FBI
And he's been sent down here to infiltrate the Ku Klux Klan!"

Did you ever hear "Unasy Rider Remake '88" ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWzTU7VAPLY


"…I was feeling dry and I said, "I think
We ought to stop and get ourselves a drink"
And old Jim said "Yeah 'cause we got time to kill"

We kept on rolling and I seen this spot
We pulled into the parking lot
Of this place called the Cloud Nine bar and grill

We walked through the door
And the place was jammed
The lights were low they had a punk rock band
And some orange haired feller singing about suicide

I said, "Jim this ain't our kind of place"
He said, "Well let's just have one round anyway"
So against my better judgment we walked on inside…."

 

[padredurand]

Did you ever hear "Unasy Rider Remake '88" ?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWzTU7VAPLY


"…I was feeling dry and I said, "I think
We ought to stop and get ourselves a drink"
And old Jim said "Yeah 'cause we got time to kill"

We kept on rolling and I seen this spot
We pulled into the parking lot
Of this place called the Cloud Nine bar and grill

We walked through the door
And the place was jammed
The lights were low they had a punk rock band
And some orange haired feller singing about suicide

I said, "Jim this ain't our kind of place"
He said, "Well let's just have one round anyway"
So against my better judgment we walked on inside…."

I had the original version on 8-track. Used to blast it through my Craig Powerplay and Jensen speakers.

So we don't get too far OT....

Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out
They leave the West behind
And Moscow girls make me sing and shout
That Georgia's always on my mind.

 

[padredurand]

Above all, it will have to take the control of industry and of all branches of production out of the hands of mutually competing individuals, and instead institute a system in which all these branches of production are operated by society as a whole – that is, for the common account, according to a common plan, and with the participation of all members of society.

It will, in other words, abolish competition and replace it with association.

Moreover, since the management of industry by individuals necessarily implies private property, and since competition is in reality merely the manner and form in which the control of industry by private property owners expresses itself, it follows that private property cannot be separated from competition and the individual management of industry. Private property must, therefore, be abolished and in its place must come the common utilization of all instruments of production and the distribution of all products according to common agreement – in a word, what is called the communal ownership of goods.

In fact, the abolition of private property is, doubtless, the shortest and most significant way to characterize the revolution in the whole social order which has been made necessary by the development of industry – and for this reason it is rightly advanced by communists as their main demand.

Source

 

[Crabtownboy]

Thomas Jefferson ? He wanted government control of schools ? Can you prove this ?

Don't they teach American history in Montana?

Here are a few quotes from Jefferson @ http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/quotations-education.

1786 August 13. (to George Wythe) "I think by far the most important bill in our whole code is that for the diffusion of knowledge among the people. No other sure foundation can be devised, for the preservation of freedom and happiness...Preach, my dear Sir, a crusade against ignorance; establish & improve the law for educating the common people. Let our countrymen know that the people alone can protect us against these evils [tyranny, oppression, etc.] and that the tax which will be paid for this purpose is not more than the thousandth part of what will be paid to kings, priests and nobles who will rise up among us if we leave the people in ignorance."

1816 January 6. (to Charles Yancey) "if a nation expects to be ignorant & free, in a state of civilisation, it expects what never was & never will be."

1818 January 14. (to Joseph C. Cabell) "Now let us see what the present primary schools cost us, on the supposition that all the children of 10. 11. & 12. years old are, as they ought to be, at school: and, if they are not, so much the work is the system; for they will be untaught, and their ignorance & vices will, in future life cost us much dearer in their consequences, than it would have done, in their correction, by a good education

1818 January 14. (to Joseph C. Cabell) "A system of general instruction, which shall reach every description of our citizens from the richest to the poorest, as it was the earliest, so will it be the latest, of all the public concerns in which I shall permit myself to take an interest.

 

[Crabtownboy]

The truth is, Jefferson wanted the Feds out of the public schools.

….The key to local school districts, according to Jefferson, is that they give parents direct and ultimate control over how their children are educated. To suppose that schools will he better managed by “any authority of the government, than by the parents within each ward…is a belief against all experience.” A government can no more manage schools than it can manage “our farms, our mills, and merchants’ stores.” Elementary education should be the concern of local communities under the supervision of parents; it should not be controlled by the federal or state governments.

Extreme decentralization was thus the centerpiece of Jefferson’s plan for public schools, and he warned of the potential consequences should this feature be ignored…..

http://www.libertarianism.org/publi...ions/thomas-jefferson-public-education-part-1

How about quoting an unbiased source, like Jefferson as I did. Both your source and the Cato Institute, where the author works is anything but balanced in its publications.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Don't they teach American history in Montana?

Here are a few quotes from Jefferson @ http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/quotations-education.

None of those even come close to showing he supported a centralized federal oversight of public schooling, and my post proves he DIDN'T.

Can you come up with a commie quote that will convince me they supported intellectual freedom ? Otherwise I have to think you are conceding the argument over government control of schooling.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

How about quoting an unbiased source, like Jefferson as I did. Both your source and the Cato Institute, where the author works is anything but balanced in its publications.

Prove it wrong. Show where the history is flawed.

Thanx, in advance.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

"A question of some doubt might be raised…as to the rights and duties of society towards its members, infant and adult. Is it a right or a duty in society to take care of their infant Members in opposition to the will of the parent? How far does this right and duty extend? — to guard the life of the infant, his property, his instruction, his morals?…It is better to tolerate the rare instance of a parent refusing to let his child be educated, than to shock the common feelings and ideas by the forcible transportation and education of the infant against the will of the father.”

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Source

http://articles.courant.com/2014-06...0614_1_dot-state-legislators-state-department

 

[Bro. Curtis]

"What has destroyed liberty and the rights of man in every government which has ever existed under the sun? The generalizing and concentrating all cares and powers into one body, no matter whether of the autocrats of Russia or France, or the aristocrats of a Venetian Senate."

 

[Alcott]

Sorry Alcott. Those are not tenets of Communism.

Boy, you need not be sorry that those are not tenets of communism, because they are.

http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/tenplanks.html

http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html

http://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/communism.htm

 

[Revmitchell]

One of the primary tenets of Communism:

What is Marxixm? How can I learn More?


Marxism is the system of ideas and practice developed by the great German scholar and revolutionary Karl Marx and his collaborator Friedrich Engels. Working in the late 1800s, a period of revolutionary social and scientific change, Marx and Engels brought together classical German philosophy, English political economy and French socialism to produce an integrated view of society. Marxism has served as a guide for working class and national liberation movements ever since.

Marxist ideas have been elaborated and modernized by other great revolutionaries such as Vladimir Lenin, Ho Chi Minh and Fidel Castro. The validity of Marxism has been repeatedly demonstrated by its role in guiding successful social struggles and revolutions in every part of the world. Marxism is not a rigid dogma, but relies on the scientific method to analyze and change society, so it is constantly developing and adapting as society itself changes.

http://www.cpusa.org/faq/