Dr. Fauci Caught In Another Lie--US Funded Research On COVID At Wuhan Lab

[SGO]

Distortion - these are not my rules, they are the standard rules for debate.

It is universally known among serious debaters that the one who makes the claim bears the burden of proof. There is no debate about this. Now, here, in this forum, some of you seem to think you get to play by a different set of rules - you get to put forward an unsupported claim, no matter how implausible or bizarre, and expect those who question your claim to do your homework for you by disproving your unsupported claim.

That is not how it works.

Your claim, your responsibility to support it.

Why don't you set forth your beliefs instead of attacking those who may not abide by your standards of debate.

This forum allows any Christian to speak his or her mind whether they follow the debate rules or not, as long as the person does not promote heresy.

That what is called grace.

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I will admit that I have broken a number of the rules stated above.

However, please show me where there is here a "standard" for debate as you have described.


I have also asked you to provide evidence contradicting the idea that the US has partially funded research in biological warfare at the laboratory in Wuhan, China.

 

[Andre]

However, please show me where there is here a "standard" for debate as you have described.

I have already done so:

When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim

The burden of proof lies with someone who is making a claim, and is not upon anyone else to disprove.

The burden of proof (“onus probandi” in Latin) is the obligation to provide sufficient supporting evidence for claims that you make. For example, if a politician claims that a new policy will lead to a positive outcome, then the politician has a burden of proof with regard to this claim, meaning that they need to provide evidence that supports it.

I could go on and on and on. There is no debate here - it is a universally accepted standard among serious people that the burden of proof lies with the claimant.

I have also asked you to provide evidence contradicting the idea that the US has partially funded research in biological warfare at the laboratory in Wuhan, China.

Indeed you have asked me. But it is your responsibility as the person making the accusation to make the case that there was inappropriate funding.

Besides, even if it was my responsibility to disprove your claim, you are asking me to prove a negative, which is not fair.

Imagine if I accused you of murder - with no evidence - and insisted that unless you can prove you did not commit the murder, then you are guilty.

That would, frankly, nuts.

 

[SGO]

Nice exit.

I won't ask you again not to say that I am a liar.

And, by the way, you may not have noticed that the OP is not moi.

 

[percho]

I agree the book of Job is totally about the physical and mental suffering Job when through not relative to the righteousness and or unrighteousness of Job but because there was spiritual warfare between God and Satan.

Job and his friends were not aware of that war.

Where were you? Be still, I am taking care of My business.

Sorry my fault. I was commenting on this line in your post; We are in a spiritual war that has results which extend into the physical.

That is the way it has always been. This pandemic IMHO is because of a spiritual war.

I was showing that IMHO the book of Job is really about a spiritual war. Not about whether Job, in the flesh, having done right or wrong.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Just as my families plight with my sisters vaccination gone wrong...it was spiritual warfare..I’ve yet to figure that out. I only know that suffering is exhausting and heartbreaking. Maybe it’s used to strength in resolve... I know it created such hate in me for injustice that it will never go away and it’s now a permanent part of my personality characteristic. (See the Enneagram type 8). Lastly with my relationship with Jesus the Christ, it has cemented in a knowledge of “Savior” and not a woosie idealistic-one either, rather an active, responsible and rational God. He is not dead nor does he sleep; with the the wrong that will fail and the right will prevailing.