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Dr. Robert Malone research guy who invented mRNA vaccine tech regrets getting covid vaxx

JonC

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I think most know by now that Malone did not invent mRNA vaccine technology.

Malone did contribute to mRNA studies, however it was Katalin Karikó that invented mRNA vaccibe technology (until the 1990's mRNA vaccines were a pipe dream).

BTW, the spiked proteins (like any other protein) stays in your body a few weeks, the actual mRNA a few days.
 

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JonC

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https://www.healthandsciencefacts.com/post/dr-malone-invented-rna-vaccines

The op is correct someone is always looking to be contrary so as discredit what he pre- disagrees with. Sad
No. Dr. Malone made contributions to mRNA research but in terms of mRNA vaccines he (and others) could not "get it to work". The idea mENA could be used to get the body to defend against viruses without risking infection was there....however the technology was not.

Katalin Karikó invented mRNA vaccine technology. I'm sure Malone's research was valuable, but in terms of actual vaccine technology it fell short (it would be decades later that the actual vaccine technology was "invented").
 

Revmitchell

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https://www.healthandsciencefacts.com/post/dr-malone-invented-rna-vaccines

The op is correct someone is always looking to be contrary so as discredit what he pre- disagrees with. Sad

again the op is correct there are no claims being made that are not true. The use of the word tech is a broad term and Malone holds patents in this area. Further it’s not the topic of this thread. His expertise is clear and what he has to say on this bears considerable weight.
 

JonC

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https://www.healthandsciencefacts.com/post/dr-malone-invented-rna-vaccines

The op is correct someone is always looking to be contrary so as discredit what he pre- disagrees with. Sad
FROM @Revmitchell 's article above:


"A popular claim online is that Dr. Robert Malone invented the mRNA vaccine technology in use today by Pfizer and Moderna. But is this true?

To save you time, the short answer is No. Many scientists were working on delivering and demonstrating transfection of RNA and DNA material into cells long before Dr. Malone. That said, science is always a collaborative effort in which everyone's input helps to deliver a breakthrough product. Though Dr. Malone's work was valuable, there was no one single defining effort by Dr. Malone that set him apart from his peers to justify a claim of inventing the mRNA vaccines full stop."

https://www.healthandsciencefacts.com/post/dr-malone-invented-rna-vaccines


So @Revmitchell objects to me saying g Malone did not the mRNA vaccine technology, and he proves I am wrong by saying Malone did not invent the mRNA vaccine technology????? :Laugh:Laugh:Laugh

Sad.....but very funny at the same time.
 

rlvaughn

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Clearly not from an unbiased source -- Dr. Malone's own website -- but nevertheless The True Story of How mRNA Vaccination was Invented gives his version of the story.
“Robert Malone was 29 when he made a major discovery: It is possible to bring messenger RNA protected by a fat ball into cultured cells to produce proteins. The very principle of RNA vaccines. He was then at the Salk Institute, the temple of genetic research. Amazing results, which will be repeated on frog embryos. But skepticism around RNA and a never-filed patent will crush his hopes and waste years. Robert Malone today has the bitterness of those who were right too early…”
 

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JonC

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“Dr. Malone does have patents related to mRNA and DNA delivery,”


Not sure why this needs explaining except that someone wants to derail the thread. Again….sad
This part is true. He is, of course, not alone in holding such patents

When we look at scientific technologies we need to hive credit where credit is due (Dr. Malone did important research with mRNA and others built off some of his work just as he built off the work of others) while not exaggerating the contributions (Dr. Malone did not invent mRNA vaccine technology).

And we should consider that there are experts on both sides if the vaccine issue. We should not ignore some because we do not like what they say (like is so often done in theology, unfortunately).

We should look at the data, and if we entertain conclusions do so from both sides. Ask "how did you arrive at that conclusion" (just like we should with theology).
 

JonC

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Clearly not from an unbiased source -- Dr. Malone's own website -- but nevertheless The True Story of How mRNA Vaccination was Invented gives his version of the story.
Yep. He was not the first but made great strides. Unfortunately he (and many others) could not overcome the obstacles to actually use the research in vaccine applications.

I don't see it that he was right or wrong. He (and his contemporaries and many to follow) could not make mRNA work in vaccines. But the idea was out there prior to Malone. It did not die but research continued (Moderna was/ is a major player in mRNA vaccines.

ModeRNA Therapeutics (Moderna) was established in 2010 and has developed over 24 vaccines. None have been approved for commercial application except the covid vacvine on an emergency basis.



mRNA vaccines — a new era in vaccinology | Nature Reviews Drug Discovery
 

rlvaughn

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Three Minutes of Fame - So Use It for Good (July 4, 2021)
15) Remember, even with the adverse events - Robert is not anti-vax. He does not believe that this experimental vaccine should be administered to children, particularly without parental consent or by coercion (no school, if no vaccination - for instance).
16) He wants the adverse events collected - right now, approval of the vaccine is going to happen without the adverse events known completely. That is wrong.
17) The adverse event collection needs to happen like it does for a normal experimental vaccine. Not be voluntary - but a group of trial subject are followed and monitored after inoculation.
18) That the FDA analyze these vaccines as a gene therapy product, as well as a vaccine product. That the duration of the protein being made be determined. That the amount of protein being made is determined. That repro-tox be done and these results released to the public. These companies know these should be analyzed as such (their SEC filing says gene therapy product) and that this should happen. The government is either very naive, sloppy or in the arms of big pharma ("regulatory capture")...
...Robert has people interested in what he has to say right now and he has his three minutes of fame - he is trying to use it for good.​
While we can argue about the right way to describe who is the inventor, and whether Dr. Malone is trying to take too much credit, clearly he is no quack, really and truly knows something about mRNA technology, and his counter views are worth considering in trying to make sense out of a lot of what does not make sense.
 
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JonC

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Three Minutes of Fame - So Use It for Good (July 4, 2021)
15) Remember, even with the adverse events - Robert is not anti-vax. He does not believe that this experimental vaccine should be administered to children, particularly without parental consent or by coercion (no school, if no vaccination - for instance).
16) He wants the adverse events collected - right now, approval of the vaccine is going to happen without the adverse events known completely. That is wrong.
17) The adverse event collection needs to happen like it does for a normal experimental vaccine. Not be voluntary - but a group of trial subject are followed and monitored after inoculation.
18) That the FDA analyze these vaccines as a gene therapy product, as well as a vaccine product. That the duration of the protein being made be determined. That the amount of protein being made is determined. That repro-tox be done and these results released to the public. These companies know these should be analyzed as such (their SEC filing says gene therapy product) and that this should happen. The government is either very naive, sloppy or in the arms of big pharma ("regulatory capture")...
...Robert has people interested in what he has to say right now and he has his three minutes of fame - he is trying to use it for good.​
While we can argue about the right way to describe who is the inventor, and whether Dr. Malone is trying to take too much credit, it appears to me that he is no quack, really and truly knows something about mRNA technology, and his counter views are worth considering in trying to make sense out of a lot of what does not make sense.
I do not think most believe Malone is a quack.

He is, IMHO, an expert in his area of expertise and exposure.

He can certainly raise appropriate concerns, but I do not know that he is informed enough to make concrete conclusions (the research probably passed him a couple of decades ago). That said, his concerns should be considered alongside others.
 

rlvaughn

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I did not say most people believe Malone is a quack, but I did say "clearly he is no quack."

His website indicates that his LLC does work in the medical field, clinical trials, risk analysis, etc. Possibly more consulting than hands-on medical work, but I have no inclination to worry about it and research it further. I am satisfied that his credentials are valid and his concerns are worthy of consideration.
 
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Scott Downey

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Again the distraction off into Dr. Malone did not do this or that, while missing the point,...
That was the title of the article!
That is not the main point of the mentioned video and article, but the opposition always distorts the focus dont they off into tangents...

He said he would refuse to take the vaccine now knowing now what it does. So he regrets getting vaccinated.
 

JonC

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Again the distraction off into Dr. Malone did not do this or that, while missing the point,...
That was the title of the article!
That is not the main point of the mentioned video and article, but the opposition always distorts the focus dont they off into tangents...

He said he would refuse to take the vaccine now knowing now what it does. So he regrets getting vaccinated.
I'm not sure it matters what he regrets. There are many who said they regretted mot getting the vaccine - several just before they died.

The important thing is not Malones regrets but his concerns. And those have to be weighed against experts who have addressed those concerns.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I'm not sure it matters what he regrets. There are many who said they regretted mot getting the vaccine - several just before they died.

The important thing is not Malones regrets but his concerns. And those have to be weighed against experts who have addressed those concerns.
What experts...please name a few
 

JonC

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What experts...please name a few
Meedan Digital Health Lab
Sabina Vohra-Miller
Anna Durbin (Professor of International Health at Johns Hopkins)
Dr. Adam Ratner (infectious disease specialist at NYU Langone Health)
Dr. William A. Banks
Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel
George M. Abraham


Just a few.

Apparently the idea that spike proteins being toxic has been debunked several times.
 
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