Dr. Ruckman's "advanced Revelation"

James Newman: Certainly no one ever preached something that was wrong from the pulpit until the wicked vile KJVO doctrine reared it's head.

Sorry, Sir...If you check some of the other forums, you'll see that I and many others here have lit into many other purveyors of bunk aside from the KJVO myth.


If you ever taught something that was wrong, would it discredit the bible you read?

Once again, you're distorting the issue. What we have discredited is the KJVO MYTH, not the KJV. Some people never learn.

 

James Newman: What issue?

Dr. Ruckman's false teachings...ALL of them.


So what if I don't agree with everything the man teaches.

Then you should take EVERYTHING he teaches with a grain of salt.


I don't agree with everything you teach either.

Then come out and say it, and prove me wrong.


The only teacher I can agree with is the bible.

But you don't mind adding the man-made KJVO myth to its teachings, do you? WHERE does the KJV teach the KJVO myth?


If you want to use Ruckman as an excuse to reject the KJV, don't let me stop you.

Once again, we reject the KJVO MYTH and not the KJV. Quit lying. That's another reason we reject the KJVO myth...it was founded by dishonesty, and many of its present advocates do not hesitate to use dishonesty in support of their myth.


Many people who reject Christianity say they do so because of the hypocricy they see in the church.

And charlatans like Dr. Ruckman are a large contributing factor.


Is Ruckman a hypocrite? Maybe.

No maybes to it.


Does that mean everything he believes is wrong? I doubt it.

Hitler was MOSTLY right.


Im sure if Ruckman stood up and said Jesus is the only way to the father, you would agree with that.

Hitler publicly thanked God more than once.


I agree with Ruckman in so far as he agrees with me. Where we disagree, I don't agree with him. He has never offered to come teach at my church. He disagrees with what we teach.

So, who is right...You, or him?

 

James Newman: Ruckman's heresies wouldn't even raise an eyebrow if he wasn't teaching that the King James was the word of God.

Yes, they WOULD...only not in a versions forum. It's the doctor himself who made his own mutation of the KJVO myth a major issue which has landed him in the doghouses of true Baptists and even most other KJVOs.


That is the heresy that gets people riled up.

ALL heresies get ME riled up. It just happens we discuss ONE of them...the KJVO myth...in THIS forum.


Ruckman may be right for all the wrong reasons about this one thing only, that doesn't negate the King James. If kooks and cults try to prove their false doctrines from the KJV, that does nothing to destroy the KJV, it merely shows that even nut cases know where the word of God is.

Mr. Newman, you're really throwing your own honesty into question! WHY DO YOU KEEP INSISTING WE'RE ATTACKING THE KJV WHEN WE POINT OUT THE HERESIES OF A SUPPORTER OF THE KJVO MYTH?????? Sir, THAT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE!!!


But when read from the page, the KJV cuts all false doctrines to shreds. The best way I know to refute false teaching is by reading the word of God.

Then why are you supporting a false doctrine about the KJV which isn't even HINTED AT in the KJV?

WHERE DOES THE KJV TEACH KJVO??????????????

 

In or on? Sorry, fellers, if it's "in", it was "on" first.

 

AV1611Jim: Where do you get off comparing Doc Ruckman to Hitler?

Hitler did mostly RIGHT things, as does Ruckman. However, Ruckman's WRONGS are almost as nothing as compared to Hitler's wrongs. I just wanted to remind Ruckman's supporters that even Hitler was often right. Does that make him acceptable? Is Dr. Ruckman acceptable because he's often right? Are you asking us to overlook his fairy tales and his distortion of the Gospel as presented in the KJV he says corrects its sources?


Folks like you are also a large contributing factor as to why the world is able to heap disparaging remarks upon christians.

I do NOT compromise with purveyors of bunk. If I step on a few toes, that's just tuff. If they don't want'em stepped on, they should keep 'em outta the aisle.


They say things like "look how they put each other down."
Deal with the issue sir. Rather than this hateful and flaming rhetoric.

I HAVE been dealing with the issues. I've tried to steer the discussion back to Ruckman's heresies several times. It's the KJVO side which has equated our condemning his heresies with an attack against the KJV. THAT'S flat-out lying dishonesty, Sir...and I guarantee I will NOT just ignore it. IT'S WRONG!

 

Jim...

As I said before, I tried to speak to Dr. Ruckman once, and his flunkies barred my way. I've sent him several letters and many emails over the years, and have received no response. Far as I'm concerned, the ball's in HIS court.

 

james Newman: It's got nothing to do with serving a purpose, other than serving the Lord.

is it serving the Lord to defend a person who clearly teacher heresy because he also teaches some correct things?


I obviously don't believe that just believing the KJV is going to make you a doctrinal success. But doctrine must have a foundation, and a doctrine can only be as sure as the foundation.

Where's the foundation for the KJVO myth? Or is it "Do as I say, not as I DO"?


I don't care to be compared to Ruckman for my belief that the KJV is innerrant.

Easy comparison...you're BOTH wrong.


But I can't shy from what I believe to be true just because it makes me uncomfortable. I would rather be called a bibliolater than to say that it doesn't matter what the words say as long as the general sense is there.

But that's exactly why the AV translators wrote the words they did. But to the KJVO, it's OK to disagree with those translators when their work goes against the KJVO myth. Case in point: The KJVO statement that Psalm 12;7 is about God's words.(This is another falsehood of Ruckman's, BTW.) The AV translators, by their marginal note, plainly showed they believed that verse was about PEOPLE. But the KJVO generally ignores what the translators whom they hold in such high esteeem actually said.


The words do matter. We don't have any way of knowing for sure what the words are unless God provides them for us.

Please tell us how you know He provided the words ONLY for the AV men and not the translators of any other English version.


Little changes in words make big differences in meaning.

Right. EASTER is NOT PASSOVER.

 

James Newman: If the greek is wrong and the english is right, do the math.

Easy...It comes out a NEGATIVE NUMBER.

Correcting the Greek with the English is REVERSE MATH. It just aint so.