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Dr. Ruckman's "advanced Revelation"
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James Newman: Certainly no one ever preached something that was wrong from the pulpit until the wicked vile KJVO doctrine reared it's head.
Sorry, Sir...If you check some of the other forums, you'll see that I and many others here have lit into many other purveyors of bunk aside from the KJVO myth.
If you ever taught something that was wrong, would it discredit the bible you read?
Once again, you're distorting the issue. What we have discredited is the KJVO MYTH, not the KJV. Some people never learn.
Sorry, Sir...If you check some of the other forums, you'll see that I and many others here have lit into many other purveyors of bunk aside from the KJVO myth.
If you ever taught something that was wrong, would it discredit the bible you read?
Once again, you're distorting the issue. What we have discredited is the KJVO MYTH, not the KJV. Some people never learn.
James_Newman
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I am not protecting Ruckman. He doesn't need protecting. He is going to appear before the Lord just like all of us and give account for what he teaches. So are you. What exactly are you trying to accomplish?
I believe the KJV is the word of God. If anyone reads the word of God and believes it, they are hardly liable to go wrong. I have never had to correct any KJV believer on the 10 ft alien antichrist doctrine. If Ruckman is wrong, God will deal with him. If your wrong about God's word, God will deal with you. Do you really feel called to discredit the King James bible? I'm sure theres something better to argue about if you think hard enough.
James Newman: What issue?
Dr. Ruckman's false teachings...ALL of them.
So what if I don't agree with everything the man teaches.
Then you should take EVERYTHING he teaches with a grain of salt.
I don't agree with everything you teach either.
Then come out and say it, and prove me wrong.
The only teacher I can agree with is the bible.
But you don't mind adding the man-made KJVO myth to its teachings, do you? WHERE does the KJV teach the KJVO myth?
If you want to use Ruckman as an excuse to reject the KJV, don't let me stop you.
Once again, we reject the KJVO MYTH and not the KJV. Quit lying. That's another reason we reject the KJVO myth...it was founded by dishonesty, and many of its present advocates do not hesitate to use dishonesty in support of their myth.
Many people who reject Christianity say they do so because of the hypocricy they see in the church.
And charlatans like Dr. Ruckman are a large contributing factor.
Is Ruckman a hypocrite? Maybe.
No maybes to it.
Does that mean everything he believes is wrong? I doubt it.
Hitler was MOSTLY right.
Im sure if Ruckman stood up and said Jesus is the only way to the father, you would agree with that.
Hitler publicly thanked God more than once.
I agree with Ruckman in so far as he agrees with me. Where we disagree, I don't agree with him. He has never offered to come teach at my church. He disagrees with what we teach.
So, who is right...You, or him?
Dr. Ruckman's false teachings...ALL of them.
So what if I don't agree with everything the man teaches.
Then you should take EVERYTHING he teaches with a grain of salt.
I don't agree with everything you teach either.
Then come out and say it, and prove me wrong.
The only teacher I can agree with is the bible.
But you don't mind adding the man-made KJVO myth to its teachings, do you? WHERE does the KJV teach the KJVO myth?
If you want to use Ruckman as an excuse to reject the KJV, don't let me stop you.
Once again, we reject the KJVO MYTH and not the KJV. Quit lying. That's another reason we reject the KJVO myth...it was founded by dishonesty, and many of its present advocates do not hesitate to use dishonesty in support of their myth.
Many people who reject Christianity say they do so because of the hypocricy they see in the church.
And charlatans like Dr. Ruckman are a large contributing factor.
Is Ruckman a hypocrite? Maybe.
No maybes to it.
Does that mean everything he believes is wrong? I doubt it.
Hitler was MOSTLY right.
Im sure if Ruckman stood up and said Jesus is the only way to the father, you would agree with that.
Hitler publicly thanked God more than once.
I agree with Ruckman in so far as he agrees with me. Where we disagree, I don't agree with him. He has never offered to come teach at my church. He disagrees with what we teach.
So, who is right...You, or him?
James_Newman
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Has anyone yet explained what all these damnable heresies of Ruckman add up to yet? What happens to me if I get Ruckmanized and believe everything he teaches?
James Newman: Ruckman's heresies wouldn't even raise an eyebrow if he wasn't teaching that the King James was the word of God.
Yes, they WOULD...only not in a versions forum. It's the doctor himself who made his own mutation of the KJVO myth a major issue which has landed him in the doghouses of true Baptists and even most other KJVOs.
That is the heresy that gets people riled up.
ALL heresies get ME riled up. It just happens we discuss ONE of them...the KJVO myth...in THIS forum.
Ruckman may be right for all the wrong reasons about this one thing only, that doesn't negate the King James. If kooks and cults try to prove their false doctrines from the KJV, that does nothing to destroy the KJV, it merely shows that even nut cases know where the word of God is.
Mr. Newman, you're really throwing your own honesty into question! WHY DO YOU KEEP INSISTING WE'RE ATTACKING THE KJV WHEN WE POINT OUT THE HERESIES OF A SUPPORTER OF THE KJVO MYTH?????? Sir, THAT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE!!!
But when read from the page, the KJV cuts all false doctrines to shreds. The best way I know to refute false teaching is by reading the word of God.
Then why are you supporting a false doctrine about the KJV which isn't even HINTED AT in the KJV?
WHERE DOES THE KJV TEACH KJVO??????????????
Yes, they WOULD...only not in a versions forum. It's the doctor himself who made his own mutation of the KJVO myth a major issue which has landed him in the doghouses of true Baptists and even most other KJVOs.
That is the heresy that gets people riled up.
ALL heresies get ME riled up. It just happens we discuss ONE of them...the KJVO myth...in THIS forum.
Ruckman may be right for all the wrong reasons about this one thing only, that doesn't negate the King James. If kooks and cults try to prove their false doctrines from the KJV, that does nothing to destroy the KJV, it merely shows that even nut cases know where the word of God is.
Mr. Newman, you're really throwing your own honesty into question! WHY DO YOU KEEP INSISTING WE'RE ATTACKING THE KJV WHEN WE POINT OUT THE HERESIES OF A SUPPORTER OF THE KJVO MYTH?????? Sir, THAT IS AN OUTRIGHT LIE!!!
But when read from the page, the KJV cuts all false doctrines to shreds. The best way I know to refute false teaching is by reading the word of God.
Then why are you supporting a false doctrine about the KJV which isn't even HINTED AT in the KJV?
WHERE DOES THE KJV TEACH KJVO??????????????
Does that mean everything he believes is wrong? I doubt it.
Hitler was MOSTLY right.
Im sure if Ruckman stood up and said Jesus is the only way to the father, you would agree with that.
Hitler publicly thanked God more than once.
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Where do you get off comparing Doc Ruckman to Hitler? Folks like you are also a large contributing factor as to why the world is able to heap disparaging remarks upon christians. They say things like "look how they put each other down."
Deal with the issue sir. Rather than this hateful and flaming rhetoric.
In HIS service;
Jim
Hitler was MOSTLY right.
Im sure if Ruckman stood up and said Jesus is the only way to the father, you would agree with that.
Hitler publicly thanked God more than once.
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Where do you get off comparing Doc Ruckman to Hitler? Folks like you are also a large contributing factor as to why the world is able to heap disparaging remarks upon christians. They say things like "look how they put each other down."
Deal with the issue sir. Rather than this hateful and flaming rhetoric.
In HIS service;
Jim
James_Newman
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mkay, your not 'attacking the KJV' your merely relegating it to the status of The Message. Or would you rank it higher than that? On the RobyScale(tm) of Textural Accuracy, how reliable is the KJV? Which parts can I believe and which parts should I reject? Do you have any advice for novice bible correctors who would like to turn pro?
James_Newman
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Not only that, he's giving Hitler more credibility than he gives the KJV.
James_Newman
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Ask Hitler, maybe he knows.
Not only that, he's giving Hitler more credibility than he gives the KJV.
James,
Statements like this really hurt you being looked upon as honest. Robo did not say this.
And FOR the RECORD I have never attacked and said that the KJV is not the Word of the Most High. Let's not play that KJVO game ok!
James and Jim,
You two are dancing all around to avoid the issues. Are you too really that far out there in that you don't have a problem with Ruckman? Seesh!
Ruckman can not run to the KJV to defend his advanced revelations and other cultic teachings. Why are you tying to run to the KJV to evade the Ruckman questions?
Personally I'm done talking to you two about this. You are a bit TOO liberal for me to deal with. May God guide the two of you into all truths and peace.
God bless,
David J Horn
James,
Statements like this really hurt you being looked upon as honest. Robo did not say this.
And FOR the RECORD I have never attacked and said that the KJV is not the Word of the Most High. Let's not play that KJVO game ok!
James and Jim,
You two are dancing all around to avoid the issues. Are you too really that far out there in that you don't have a problem with Ruckman? Seesh!
Ruckman can not run to the KJV to defend his advanced revelations and other cultic teachings. Why are you tying to run to the KJV to evade the Ruckman questions?
Personally I'm done talking to you two about this. You are a bit TOO liberal for me to deal with. May God guide the two of you into all truths and peace.
God bless,
David J Horn
James_Newman
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The issue is you don't even know why KJVO is a problem, if indeed it is false. What does it matter? You just don't like it.
James_Newman
New Member
Will someone lose their salvation if the teach KJVO? Will they lose crowns at the judgment seat? Will they lose face with their scholar friends? What is the real issue? 'I stand against all false doctrine' great, why? What would happen if you didn't?
AV1611Jim: Where do you get off comparing Doc Ruckman to Hitler?
Hitler did mostly RIGHT things, as does Ruckman. However, Ruckman's WRONGS are almost as nothing as compared to Hitler's wrongs. I just wanted to remind Ruckman's supporters that even Hitler was often right. Does that make him acceptable? Is Dr. Ruckman acceptable because he's often right? Are you asking us to overlook his fairy tales and his distortion of the Gospel as presented in the KJV he says corrects its sources?
Folks like you are also a large contributing factor as to why the world is able to heap disparaging remarks upon christians.
I do NOT compromise with purveyors of bunk. If I step on a few toes, that's just tuff. If they don't want'em stepped on, they should keep 'em outta the aisle.
They say things like "look how they put each other down."
Deal with the issue sir. Rather than this hateful and flaming rhetoric.
I HAVE been dealing with the issues. I've tried to steer the discussion back to Ruckman's heresies several times. It's the KJVO side which has equated our condemning his heresies with an attack against the KJV. THAT'S flat-out lying dishonesty, Sir...and I guarantee I will NOT just ignore it. IT'S WRONG!
Hitler did mostly RIGHT things, as does Ruckman. However, Ruckman's WRONGS are almost as nothing as compared to Hitler's wrongs. I just wanted to remind Ruckman's supporters that even Hitler was often right. Does that make him acceptable? Is Dr. Ruckman acceptable because he's often right? Are you asking us to overlook his fairy tales and his distortion of the Gospel as presented in the KJV he says corrects its sources?
Folks like you are also a large contributing factor as to why the world is able to heap disparaging remarks upon christians.
I do NOT compromise with purveyors of bunk. If I step on a few toes, that's just tuff. If they don't want'em stepped on, they should keep 'em outta the aisle.
They say things like "look how they put each other down."
Deal with the issue sir. Rather than this hateful and flaming rhetoric.
I HAVE been dealing with the issues. I've tried to steer the discussion back to Ruckman's heresies several times. It's the KJVO side which has equated our condemning his heresies with an attack against the KJV. THAT'S flat-out lying dishonesty, Sir...and I guarantee I will NOT just ignore it. IT'S WRONG!
The issue is you don't even know why KJVO is a problem, if indeed it is false. What does it matter? You just don't like it.
Umm excuse me but I was a KJVO for 7 years James. I fully know KJVO dogma inside and out.I khow KJVOism has nothing to stand upon but distortions, guess work, lies, etc...
Now that's out of the way. I'm done here since this thread is getting worse and worse.
Umm excuse me but I was a KJVO for 7 years James. I fully know KJVO dogma inside and out.I khow KJVOism has nothing to stand upon but distortions, guess work, lies, etc...
Now that's out of the way. I'm done here since this thread is getting worse and worse.
james Newman: It's got nothing to do with serving a purpose, other than serving the Lord.
is it serving the Lord to defend a person who clearly teacher heresy because he also teaches some correct things?
I obviously don't believe that just believing the KJV is going to make you a doctrinal success. But doctrine must have a foundation, and a doctrine can only be as sure as the foundation.
Where's the foundation for the KJVO myth? Or is it "Do as I say, not as I DO"?
I don't care to be compared to Ruckman for my belief that the KJV is innerrant.
Easy comparison...you're BOTH wrong.
But I can't shy from what I believe to be true just because it makes me uncomfortable. I would rather be called a bibliolater than to say that it doesn't matter what the words say as long as the general sense is there.
But that's exactly why the AV translators wrote the words they did. But to the KJVO, it's OK to disagree with those translators when their work goes against the KJVO myth. Case in point: The KJVO statement that Psalm 12;7 is about God's words.(This is another falsehood of Ruckman's, BTW.) The AV translators, by their marginal note, plainly showed they believed that verse was about PEOPLE. But the KJVO generally ignores what the translators whom they hold in such high esteeem actually said.
The words do matter. We don't have any way of knowing for sure what the words are unless God provides them for us.
Please tell us how you know He provided the words ONLY for the AV men and not the translators of any other English version.
Little changes in words make big differences in meaning.
Right. EASTER is NOT PASSOVER.
is it serving the Lord to defend a person who clearly teacher heresy because he also teaches some correct things?
I obviously don't believe that just believing the KJV is going to make you a doctrinal success. But doctrine must have a foundation, and a doctrine can only be as sure as the foundation.
Where's the foundation for the KJVO myth? Or is it "Do as I say, not as I DO"?
I don't care to be compared to Ruckman for my belief that the KJV is innerrant.
Easy comparison...you're BOTH wrong.
But I can't shy from what I believe to be true just because it makes me uncomfortable. I would rather be called a bibliolater than to say that it doesn't matter what the words say as long as the general sense is there.
But that's exactly why the AV translators wrote the words they did. But to the KJVO, it's OK to disagree with those translators when their work goes against the KJVO myth. Case in point: The KJVO statement that Psalm 12;7 is about God's words.(This is another falsehood of Ruckman's, BTW.) The AV translators, by their marginal note, plainly showed they believed that verse was about PEOPLE. But the KJVO generally ignores what the translators whom they hold in such high esteeem actually said.
The words do matter. We don't have any way of knowing for sure what the words are unless God provides them for us.
Please tell us how you know He provided the words ONLY for the AV men and not the translators of any other English version.
Little changes in words make big differences in meaning.
Right. EASTER is NOT PASSOVER.