1 cor2:14...it says cannot, you suggest he can.romans 8:7 says cannot you say.it can
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GoodTidings
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Nothing I said indicates such a thing. I do not deny the effects of the fall at all. I believe that Adam's sin brought all of creation into a state of sin, death and decay.
The sinful rebellious condition is the result of the fall, and leaves men unable
Did Adam die spiritually?
GoodTidings
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I Cor. 2:14 is referring to the deeper truths of Scripture. The unsaved person cannot receive those truths that are only revealed to us by the Holy Spirit. It is not saying that the unsaved person cannot read and understand the Gospel and that He cannot be convicted by Holy Spirit through those words.
Rom. 8:7 addresses something total different. It says that our carnal mind, our fleshly nature is at enmity with God and in a state of rebellion against His laws. It cannot submit to His laws in that condition. That verse is not saying that in our unregenerate state that we are unable to hear and respond positively to the Gospel message. Paul's point is that I our unregenerate condition we have no desire to be obedient to God's laws.
You gotta pay attention to what is actually being addressed in a verse before ripping it out of its immediate context and using it to address an issue it was not meant to address.
GoodTidings
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It does not leave man unable to hear and respond to the Gospel and nothing in the Bible says that. It leaves man in a rebellious state that makes Him unwilling to be obedient. That doesn't mean he is unable. That "inability" is something that Calvinists pencil into the Bible. It is simply not there.
GoodTidings
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Yes he did.
The entire "Canon of Scripture." We accept it as such because somebody says that's what it is; quite parallel to when somebody claims a dream or vision is from God. In either case, we did not determine ourselves if it is from God, but we took somebody's (or many somebody's) word for it.
GoodTidings
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No, that is not true. The Bible contains unique, internal evidence that it is the Word of God. We are not blindly taking someone's word for it.
@Revmitchell was right - that was an exact example of the fallacy.
The false claims do not negate the possibility of legitimate occurances.
C.A. is Classical Arminianism. I never mentioned regeneration.
GoodTidings
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Okay, thanks. I did not assign regeneration to you and I apologize if it appeared that I was doing that. I mention regeneration because in Calvinism inability and regeneration go together.
GoodTidings
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What legitimate occurrences?
How do you test that a dream or vision is actually from God?
Since we are not talking about progressive revelation, I would test the legitimately against Scripture. What is the content? What is the result?
GoodTidings
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If the information in a dream or vision is already revealed in the Bible, why do we need something like a vision or dream to tell us what we can already read in Scripture?
We are good. I apologize for not being more clear.
Great. What was the result of this spiritual death?
So.if someone believes error.....it is right according to your number system?
Or you believe they lack intelligence?
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