Easter Malarkey

[Van]

A stupid falsehood. Mark 14:12 stands. . . . And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, . . . And Mark 14:17, And in the evening he cometh with the twelve.

Jewish next days begin with there evenings.

Every Easter this poster flails away posting "A stupid" interpretation of scripture to muddy the waters and side-track the commemoration of Christ's death and resurrection.

Every Easter the usual suspects post their unfounded attacks on our traditional understanding of Easter, which is Christ was crucified on Friday and was laid in the tomb before Saturday began at around sundown of Friday. Christ spent part of Friday, all of Saturday and arose just at daylight on Sunday, which using inclusive counting is three days, and is consistent with the Hebrew idiom of "3 days and 3 nights."

 

[Dave G]

@Earth Wind and Fire

Also note what is said here:
" Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights." ( Jonah 1:17 )

...and here:

" Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
for as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. " ( Matthew 12:38-40 ).

" Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. " ( Matthew 28:62-63 )

Again, do we as Christians believe the traditions of men and "idioms", or do we as God's people believe and trust His very words?

3 days and 3 nights...

That is what God says...but instead, we are asked by many to believe in man's traditions, and not God's words. Tradition would have us to believe that He didn't spend 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth, as the Scriptures tell us.

At the end of it all it's up to you to decide, my friend.


May He bless you richly and with much knowledge as you study His word.

 

[Van]

@Earth Wind and Fire

Also note what is said here:
" Now the Lord had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights." ( Jonah 1:17 )

...and here:

" Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
for as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. " ( Matthew 12:38-40 ).

" Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. " ( Matthew 28:62-63 )

Again, do we as Christians believe the traditions of men and "idioms", or do we as God's people believe and trust His very words?

3 days and 3 nights...
That is what God says...but instead, we are asked by many to believe in man's traditions, and not God's words. They would have us to believe that He didn't spend 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth, as the Scriptures tell us.

At the end of it all, it's up to you to decide, my friend..
May He bless you richly and with much knowledge as you study His word.

Is the meaning of the Hebrew idiom "3 days and 3 nights" defined in scripture? Yes. Was this addressed? Nope.

Pay no attention to these unstudied attacks of Easter.

Every Easter the usual suspects post their unfounded attacks on our traditional understanding of Easter, which is Christ was crucified on Friday and was laid in the tomb before Saturday began at around sundown of Friday. Christ spent part of Friday, all of Saturday and arose just at daylight on Sunday, which using inclusive counting is three days, and is consistent with the Hebrew idiom of "3 days and 3 nights."

 

[Van]

The answer to Matthew 12:40 (three days and three nights) is to accept that Jesus was using a colloquialism, three days and three nights only referring to three days or part days rather than 72 literal hours. In 1 Samuel 30, verse 12, the account of a starving servant is recorded as follows: “…For he had not eaten bread or drunk water for three days and three nights.” But in verse thirteen, his problem had started three days ago. This passage therefore suggests, and I accept that “three days and three nights” is a figurative reference to three days or parts of days and not to a literal 72 hours or a literal three daylight periods and three darkness periods because three days ago would only include two darkness periods. If you compare 2 Chronicles 10:5 (return to me in three days) with 2 Chronicles 10:12 (came to Rehoboam on the third day) you will see that three days and on the third day mean the same thing, indicating that both inclusive counting was used and parts of days were counted as days in the pre-scientific culture. Inclusive counting means that you count today as the first day when saying something happened three or any number of days ago or in the future. Therefore, “three days and three nights” is a figurative reference to three days ago, and three days ago is the day before yesterday or literally only two nights ago. The point of Matthew 12:40 was not to create conflict with the many scriptures that say “on the third day” but only to draw a parallel with Jonah by using the terminology of Jonah 1:17.

 

[37818]

Every Easter this poster flails away posting "A stupid" interpretation of scripture to muddy the waters and side-track the commemoration of Christ's death and resurrection.

Every Easter the usual suspects post their unfounded attacks on our traditional understanding of Easter, which is Christ was crucified on Friday and was laid in the tomb before Saturday began at around sundown of Friday. Christ spent part of Friday, all of Saturday and arose just at daylight on Sunday, which using inclusive counting is three days, and is consistent with the Hebrew idiom of "3 days and 3 nights."

It is my Biblical understanding Mark 14:12-16 to be the 14th of Nisan per Exodus 12:18.
That Mark 14:17 is the beginning of the 15th of Nisan.
That Mark 15:42 is the beginning of 16th Nisan so Joseph of Arimathaea could ask for the body of Jesus, the 15th of Nisan had ended.
Prove otherwise. That you both understand my view and why I am mistaken.

 

[Van]

It is my Biblical understanding Mark 14:12-16 to be the 14th of Nisan per Exodus 12:18.
That Mark 14:17 is the beginning of the 15th of Nisan.
That Mark 15:42 is the beginning of 16th Nisan so Joseph of Arimathaea could ask for the body of Jesus, the 15th of Nisan had ended.
Prove otherwise. That you both understand my view and why I am mistaken.

Again, you rely on non-biblical information. Why argue with non-germane claims. It simply side-tracks the Easter message.

 

[37818]

Again, you rely on non-biblical information.

Cite it or stop your lying.
Mark 14:12, Exodus 12:18.

Why argue with non-germane claims.

Not true.
In 33 A.D. Mark 14:12 would be a Friday. Which cannot be true. In 30 A.D. Mark 14:12 would be a Wednesday. And based on Luke 24:20-21 the crucifixion cannot be on a Wednesday.

It simply side-tracks the Easter message.

The actual crucifixion date needs to replace the fictional.

April 6th 30 A.D. Resurrection April 9th

 

[37818]

The three fold evidence of the resurrection of Christ

 

[Van]

Cite it or stop your lying.
Mark 14:12, Exodus 12:18.
Not true.
In 33 A.D. Mark 14:12 would be a Friday. Which cannot be true. In 30 A.D. Mark 14:12 would be a Wednesday. And based on Luke 24:20-21 the crucifixion cannot be on a Wednesday.

The actual crucifixion date needs to replace the fictional.

April 6th 30 A.D. Resurrection April 9th

1) Try "in cannot be true in 30 AD. Mark 14:12 would be a Wednesday"

2) Stop side-tracking the Easter message.

 

[percho]

and God saith, 'Let light be;' and light is. And God seeth the light that good, and God separateth between the light and the darkness, and God calleth to the light 'Day,' and to the darkness He hath called 'Night;' and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day one. Gen 1:3-5

Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world. But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him. John 11:9,10

Are those two verses speaking in walking either in the good light of God or the darkness of this age? Who is the god of this age Was it the darkness of this age of which God spoke, out of darkness light to shine? See 2 Cor 4:4-6 & Eph 6:11,12

How many hours were in that day and in that night of Gen 1:5?

I believe the Son of Man, Jesus, was in the heart of the earth, the lowest parts of the earth, for three each of the day and night of Gen 1:5.

And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Cor 15:4 Probably about the same time of the day that he had said, "Father into your hands I commit my Spirit".

 

[Van]

Every Easter the usual suspects post their unfounded attacks on our traditional understanding of Easter, which is Christ was crucified on Friday and was laid in the tomb before Saturday began at around sundown of Friday. Christ spent part of Friday, all of Saturday and arose just at daylight on Sunday, which using inclusive counting is three days, and is consistent with the Hebrew idiom of "3 days and 3 nights."

 

[37818]

1) Try "in cannot be true in 30 AD. Mark 14:12 would be a Wednesday"

For one thing, the crucifixtion cannot take place the day before Christ was crucified.

In 30 A.D the 14th of Nisan began Tuesday at sundown and ended Wedensday at sundown. Mark 14:17.
The 15th of Nisan began Wedensday at sundown and ended Thursday at sundown.
Now the Preperation Day before the weekly Sabbath always begins Thursday at sundown and ends with the beginning of the Sabbath on Friday at sundown.
Mark 15:42, And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, . . .
Being Thursday evening at sundown. Not Friday.

 

[Van]

Every Easter the usual suspects post their unfounded attacks on our traditional understanding of Easter, which is Christ was crucified on Friday and was laid in the tomb before Saturday began at around sundown of Friday. Christ spent part of Friday, all of Saturday and arose just at daylight on Sunday, which using inclusive counting is three days, and is consistent with the Hebrew idiom of "3 days and 3 nights."

 

[tyndale1946]

The Easter Malarkey, is you brethren on here trying to figure this out and I know in three days this happened!... Brother Glen

 

[Alcott]

The NASB uses "heart" instead of belly or stomach. Heart is not used very often in scripture, but it never appears to mean our blood pump. The heart of God, which David was after, is holy/pure in goal and desire. Man's heart was wicked as in pre-flood Genesis and later. So, is to be in the "heart of the earth" to be among-- subjecting Himself to-- the wicked ways of earth, as opposed to the pure ways of God? If so, then the first day should have been the day of Jesus' trial with the mocking and beating. After all, a tomb is not literally the heart/belly/stomach of the earth; most probably not even below the ground. But whether this is so or not, there are 3 days involved, as part of a day refers to one day. Your day in court doesn't mean the court lasts the entire dawn-to-dusk period. And since his first trial proceeding was illegally held the 'night' before, that should make it the first night. So... Thurs-night -- Friday -- Fri-night -- Saturday -- Sun- night -- Sunday. 3 nights and 3 days. If you have made your mind up otherwise, I know this will be a lot of baloney to you. But there is no doubt about metaphorical language in this. But the only point is Jesus sacrificed himself to save us from our sins. Good Day.

 

[JonC]

It is my Biblical understanding Mark 14:12-16 to be the 14th of Nisan per Exodus 12:18.
That Mark 14:17 is the beginning of the 15th of Nisan.
That Mark 15:42 is the beginning of 16th Nisan so Joseph of Arimathaea could ask for the body of Jesus, the 15th of Nisan had ended.
Prove otherwise. That you both understand my view and why I am mistaken.

I will.

Joseph of Arimathaea could not have asked for the body on the 15th of Nisan because the 15th of Nisan was a high day. It was a day set aside by God for the holy assembly and no work could be done. (see Exodus 12:16 , Lev 23:7, Num 28:16-25).

The crucifixion could not have occurred on 25 Nisan, regardless of the year.

 

[37818]

The crucifixion could not have occurred on 25 Nisan, regardless of the year.

But Jesus was crucified on the 15th of Nisan. Joseph of Arimathaea had to wait to the beginning of the Preparation Day to begin to ask for the body of Jesus, Thursday after sundown.

 

[JonC]

But Jesus was crucified on the 15th of Nisan. Joseph of Arimathaea had to wait to the beginning of the Preparation Day to begin to ask for the body of Jesus, Thursday after sundown.

But for Jesus to have been crucified on 15 Nisan this would mean the priests abandoned their duties at the Holy Assembly.

15 Nisan is considered a Sabbath (with the exception they could prepare food). The Jews could not have arrested Jesus, they could not have appealed to the Roman authorities, they could not have allowed a Jew to be crucified on that day, they could not have attended the crucifixion.

It is impossible that Jesus would have been crucified on 15 Nisan.


The only possible days are Wendsday, 14 Nisan 30 AD and Friday 14 Nisan 33 AD.

The problem with 30 AD is that 15 Nisan does not fall on a Sabbath (that Sabbath would not also be a high day).

 

[37818]

Joseph of Arimathaea could not have asked for the body on the 15th of Nisan because the 15th of Nisan was a high day.

Then Mark 14:12-16 being in fact the 14th of Nisan, the day before the crucifixion proves what?

 

[37818]

But for Jesus to have been crucified on 15 Nisan this would mean the priests abandoned their duties at the Holy Assembly.

15 Nisan is considered a Sabbath (with the exception they could prepare food). The Jews could not have arrested Jesus, they could not have appealed to the Roman authorities, they could not have allowed a Jew to be crucified on that day, they could not have attended the crucifixion.

It is impossible that Jesus would have been crucified on 15 Nisan.


The only possible days are Wendsday, 14 Nisan 30 AD and Friday 14 Nisan 33 AD.

The problem with 30 AD is that 15 Nisan does not fall on a Sabbath (that Sabbath would not also be a high day).

Again per Mark 14:12-16 was the 14th of Nisan and the day before the crucifixion.