EASTER WAS - WEDNESDAY, MAR.31 ! !

[Eliyahu]

Yes, Quirinius was again appointed governor of Syria in 6 AD til 12 AD, after Archelaus, son of Herod the Great, was banished from rulership. But it seems the census in which Joseph & Mary had to go to Bethlehem & register, was first ordered by Augie in 8 BC.(He also had them taken in 28 BC & 14 AD, not long before his death.) Quirinius was governor only during the 8 BC one, and, given the time it took for the word to be spread, it was likely 7 BC when J&M arrived at Bethlehem.

The magi told Herod they'd seen His star 2 years earlier, & it'd taken them that long to make it all the way to Bethlehem. Thus, Herod ordered the murders of all Jewish males age 2 or younger. He died soon after, in 4 BC. And God told J&M to stay in Egypt til Herod's son, Archelaus was no longer ruler in his father's place. That happened in 6 AD.

We cannot be exactly sure of the time of the Persian decree allowing the Jews to return to Judea. There are umpteen accounts of the timing.

The main clue for a later date of Jesus' ministry is John The Baptist beginning his ministry in 28 AD.

More Scriptural & historical evidence points to an earthly lifetime of Jesus being 6 BC to 27 AD. But, no matter exactly when it was, the MOST-IMPORTANT thing is, IT HAPPENED !

You are contradicting with Luke 3:1
Baptist John started to preach in the 15th year of Tiberius reign.
Tiberius became the Emperor from August 19, 14AD since Augustus died on that day.
15th year of Tiberius was from August 19, 28AD.
Jesus may have been baptized in the Fall of 28AD
First Passover was April 29AD
Second Passover April, 30AD
Third Passover April, 31
Fourth Passover April 10 or 11, 32AD when Lord died on the Cross.

27AD is way too early


Eliyahu

 

[robycop3]

You are contradicting with Luke 3:1
Baptist John started to preach in the 15th year of Tiberius reign.
Tiberius became the Emperor from August 19, 14AD since Augustus died on that day.
15th year of Tiberius was from August 19, 28AD.
Jesus may have been baptized in the Fall of 28AD
First Passover was April 29AD
Second Passover April, 30AD
Third Passover April, 31
Fourth Passover April 10 or 11, 32AD when Lord died on the Cross.

27AD is way too early


Eliyahu

Quirinius' 2nd governorship(6 to 12AD) was too late to have been the time when Jesus was conceived. Somebody had their timing mixed up.

 

[37818]

You are contradicting with Luke 3:1
Baptist John started to preach in the 15th year of Tiberius reign.
Tiberius became the Emperor from August 19, 14AD since Augustus died on that day.
15th year of Tiberius was from August 19, 28AD.
Jesus may have been baptized in the Fall of 28AD
First Passover was April 29AD
Second Passover April, 30AD
Third Passover April, 31
Fourth Passover April 10 or 11, 32AD when Lord died on the Cross.

27AD is way too early


Eliyahu

You are mistaken. Tiberius' years in office begins at year I not year 0. So in the XV year will be between the September of 27AD and September of 28AD. Just as there is no zero BC or zero AD. Beginning at 1 AD is in the 2nd year AD.

 

[Walter]

You're right. But why should we Baptists celebrate His resurrection on a day set by the RCC ?

Yeah, the Orthodox Church has no problem not choosing to celebrate at a different time. They will be celebrating Pascha on May 2 this year. Each Baptist church is free to pick their own day to celebrate the glorious resurrection of our Lord and Savior. Why do you think they don't do that?

 

[Alex2165]

This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.

How do you know what day of the week that month began on?

No one knows exactly, but according to some scholars and Bibles references, the first month of Jewish calendar is Nisan (Abib) and it correspond with somewhere between March and April.



The Jewish day was from sunset to sunset, in 8 equal parts.


JEWISH FEASTS



FEAST OF and MONTH ON JEWISH CALENDAR DAY CORRESPONDING MONTHS



*PASSOVER (Unleavened Bread) NISSAN 14-21 MARCH - APRIL


*PENTECOST (First Fruits of Weeks) SIVAN 6 (50 days after Passover) MAY - JUNE


TRUMPETS, Rosh Hashanah TISHRI 1-2 SEPTEMBER - OCTOBER


DAY OF ATONEMENT, Yom Kippur TISHRI 10 SEPTEMBER - OCTOBER


*TABERNACLES (Booths or Ingathering) TISHRI 15-22 SEPTEMBER - OCTOBER


DEDICATION (Lights) Hanukkah CHISLEV 25 (8 days) NOVEMBER - DECEMBER


PURIM (Lots) ADAR 14-15 FEBRUARY - MARCH




*The three major feasts for which all males of Israel were required to travel to the Temple in Jerusalem.



ABIB (sprouting or budding).

This month was made the first month of the year in commemoration of the Exodus (Exodus 23.15) (Deuteronomy 16.1). On the 15th of this month, the people of Israel left Egypt. The Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread were celebrated during the month of Abib. After captivity, the month was called Nisan (Nehemiah 2.1) (Esther 3.7).

 

[robycop3]

Yeah, the Orthodox Church has no problem not choosing to celebrate at a different time. They will be celebrating Pascha on May 2 this year. Each Baptist church is free to pick their own day to celebrate the glorious resurrection of our Lord and Savior. Why do you think they don't do that?

I believe that Scripture establishes GOD'S tome for passover, and the narrative of Jesus' 'passion' sets the time of His resurrection. The Jews have used the same calendar since well before that time, through today, & there's no mistaking the correct time for passover & thus for Jesus' resurrection. Likely, not every Baptist congregation goes by those facts.

 

[Eliyahu]

You are mistaken. Tiberius' years in office begins at year I not year 0. So in the XV year will be between the September of 27AD and September of 28AD. Just as there is no zero BC or zero AD. Beginning at 1 AD is in the 2nd year AD.

You say that as if I had not known it. Of course, there is no year 0.

Tiberius Caesar Augustus (/taɪˈbɪəriəs/ ty-BEER-ee-əs; 16 November 42 BC – 16 March AD 37) was the second Roman emperor, reigning from AD 14 to 37. He succeeded his stepfather, Augustus.
Tiberius - Wikipedia

You cannot deny the first year of Tiberius started from August 19, 14AD unless you fabricate a new history.
Then 15th year of Tiberius should be August 19, 28 thru August 18, 29AD
During this time, John the Baptist preached the Baptism of Repentance, and Jesus was baptized by John
So, the Crucifixion of Jesus couldn't happen in 27AD


Eliyahu

 

[37818]

You say that as if I had not known it. Of course, there is no year 0.

Tiberius Caesar Augustus (/taɪˈbɪəriəs/ ty-BEER-ee-əs; 16 November 42 BC – 16 March AD 37) was the second Roman emperor, reigning from AD 14 to 37. He succeeded his stepfather, Augustus.
Tiberius - Wikipedia

You cannot deny the first year of Tiberius started from August 19, 14AD unless you fabricate a new history.
Then 15th year of Tiberius should be August 19, 28 thru August 18, 29AD
During this time, John the Baptist preached the Baptism of Repentance, and Jesus was baptized by John
So, the Crucifixion of Jesus couldn't happen in 27AD


Eliyahu

Tiberius - Wikipedia
His office began 18 September our year 14AD.
I hold the date of the Crucifixion to be 6 April 30 Julian date. Jewish date 15 Nisan 3790.

 

[MarysSon]

You're right. But why should we Baptists celebrate His resurrection on a day set by the RCC ?

WHY would you have a problem with that when you read from a New Testament that was compiled and declared Canon ny that SAME Catholic Church. And, as a Sola Scripturist - you look to that Bible as your SOLE Authority?

Care to explain?

 

[Eliyahu]

Tiberius - Wikipedia
His office began 18 September our year 14AD.
I hold the date of the Crucifixion to be 6 April 30 Julian date. Jewish date 15 Nisan 3790.

Indeed Tiberius was consented by Senate on 18 Sept 14AD. It doesn't mean that He wasn't the emperor during Aug 19-18 Sept.
More important thing is that the 15th year of Tiberius reign was 19 Aug 28- 18 Aug 29.
If you want to insist on Sept 18, then 18 Sept 28-17 Sept 29AD was the 15th year of Tiberius
This is what Luke 3:1 is talking about.
If you believe, Jesus had 3 years ministry at least, you reach the 4th year starting from Sept 18, 31AD - 17 Sept 32AD. During this period Jesus was crucified on the Passover.
When would it be? It must be already later than 30 AD.
Passover during the 4th year of Jesus' ministry was April 10, 32AD

Eliyahu

 

[37818]

More important thing is that the 15th year of Tiberius reign was 19 Aug 28- 18 Aug 29.

Only by our Western reckoning.
August 14AD as year zero
15 year 1
.
.
.
28 year 14
29 year 15.
But August 14AD as year one.
15 year 2
.
.
.
27 year 14
28 year 15.
Counting with no year zero.
Then the15th year of Tiberius reign was 19 Aug 27- 18 Aug 28.

 

[robycop3]

WHY would you have a problem with that when you read from a New Testament that was compiled and declared Canon ny that SAME Catholic Church. And, as a Sola Scripturist - you look to that Bible as your SOLE Authority?

Care to explain?

The Scriptures existed before the RCC did, and the RCC wasn't always corrupt as it later became, & still is. And the canon has been affirmed by many non-RC authorities as well.

As for sola Scriptura, neither I, nor my church, believe nor practice any MAN-MADE doctrines of faith/worship. OTOH, the RCC follows a boatload of them.

 

[MarysSon]

The Scriptures existed before the RCC did, and the RCC wasn't always corrupt as it later became, & still is. And the canon has been affirmed by many non-RC authorities as well.

As for sola Scriptura, neither I, nor my church, believe nor practice any MAN-MADE doctrines of faith/worship. OTOH, the RCC follows a boatload of them.

Time for a history lesson . . .

Prior to the declaration of the Canon of the NT - there were numerous Books that were read aloud from pulpits an were considered to be "Scripture" for some 300 years. Some of these Books include, the Epistle of Clement, Epistles of Barnabas, The Shepherd of Hermas, The Protoevangelium of James, etc.

The Synod of Rome (382) is where the canon was first formally identified by the Catholic Church.
- 11 years after that, it was confirmed at the Synod of Hippo (393).
- 4 years later, at the Council (or Synod) of Carthage (397), it was yet again confirmed. The bishops wrote at the end of their document, "But let Church beyond sea (Rome) be consulted about confirming this canon". There were 44 bishops, including St. Augustine who signed the document.
- 7 years later, in 405, in a letter from Pope Innocent I to Exsuperius, Bishop of Toulouse, he reiterated the canon.
- 14 years after that, at the 2nd Council (Synod) of Carthage (419) the canon was again formally confirmed.

The Canon of Scripture was officially closed at the Council of Trent in the 16th century because of the perversions happening within Protestantism and the random editing and deleting of books from the Canon.

As for Sola Scriptura - are you telling me that you DON'T consider the Scriptures to be our "Sole Authority"??
If not - what other Authority do YOU believe there is?

 

[Eliyahu]

Only by our Western reckoning.
August 14AD as year zero
15 year 1
.
.
.
28 year 14
29 year 15.
But August 14AD as year one.
15 year 2
.
.
.
27 year 14
28 year 15.
Counting with no year zero.
Then the15th year of Tiberius reign was 19 Aug 27- 18 Aug 28.

Even if you follow your own schedule, the year of crucifixion cannot be 27AD
Because Jesus was baptized in the 15th year of Tiberius ( Luke 3:1-21)
Thereafter Jesus preached and passed 3 Passovers and was crucified on the 4th Passover.

Now, let me explain you in more detail:

1st Year of Tiberius : August 19, 14AD - August 18, 15AD
2nd Year : Aug 19, 15AD-Aug 18, 16AD
3rd Year : Aug 19, 16AD thru Aug 18, 17AD
4th Year : Aug 18, 17AD thru Aug 18, 18AD
5th Year : Aug 19, 18AD thru Aug 18, 19AD
6th Year : Aug 19, 19AD thru Aug 18, 20AD
7th Year : Aug 19, 20AD thru Aug 18, 21AD
8th Year : Aug 19, 21AD thru Aug 18, 22 AD
9th Year : Aug 19, 22AD thru Aug 18, 23AD
10th Year : Aug 19, 23AD thru Aug 18, 24AD
11th Year : Aug 19, 24AD thru Aug18, 25AD
12th Year : Aug 19, 25AD thru Aug18, 26AD
13th Year : Aug 19, 26AD thru Aug 18, 27AD
14th Year : Aug 19, 27AD thru Aug 18, 28AD
15th Year : Aug 19, 28 AD thru Aug 18, 29AD - John the Baptist baptized Jesus, ( Luke 3:1)
First Passover ( John 2) : April 29AD

16th Year : Aug 19, 29AD thru Aug 18, 30AD - Second Passover John 5
17th Year : Aug 19, 30AD thru Aug 18, 31AD - Third Passover -John 6
18th Year : Aug 19, 31AD thru Aug 18, 32AD - 4th Passover- John 12- John 19, April 32AD

I have never mentioned the Zero year of Tiberius. You may have mistaken me with another person.
I know very well that there is no Zero Year between 1BC and 1AD, and No Zero year of Emperor Tiberius. Therefore I started from the Year 1, not from Year Zero. This is almost COMMON SENSE !

Therefore your claim that Jesus was crucified in the year 30AD is way too early!

What you have didn't know is that the First year of Tiberius was over-laid or over-spread from August 14AD to the August 15AD, and the Passover of the each Reign year of Tiberius is in the next year.
So the first Passover during the first reign year of Tiberius was April 15AD, not 14AD

Can you understand this?

I think I have explained you enough.


Eliyahu

 

[37818]

I have never mentioned the Zero year of Tiberius.

Not as such. But . . .

1st Year of Tiberius : August 19, 14AD - August 18, 15AD

Is counting from a zero at 14AD. To make August 19, 14AD - August 18, 15AD in the first year.
1AD to 10AD is in the first decade. 01 to 10.
1AD to 100AD is in the first century. 001 to 100.
Notice the zero 10s and zero 100s.
1AD not 0Ad. 1AD to 2AD is in counting is in year 2 not in 1 as in 0 to 1. Maybe you cannot understand this.
Otherwise Luke is wrong on in the 15th year.

The Passover in Mark 14:12-16 was the Jewish calandar day the 14th of Nisan. Jesus was historically crucified per Mark on the 15th of Nisan. Bear in mind Jewish days begin at sun down. Because the 15th is a type of sabbath Joseph had to wait until sun down to ask for the body of Jesus.
Geneva NT Mark 15:14, "And nowe when the night was come (because it was the day of the preparation that is before the Sabbath)"

 

[37818]

. . . the year of crucifixion cannot be 27AD

By the way, I argued the crucifixion is on 6 April 30AD Julian date. 15th Nisan 3790 Jewish calandar date.

 

[Eliyahu]

By the way, I argued the crucifixion is on 6 April 30AD Julian date. 15th Nisan 3790 Jewish calandar date.

Yes, you are right. It should have been 30AD

Eliyahu

 

[Eliyahu]

Not as such. But . . .

Is counting from a zero at 14AD. To make August 19, 14AD - August 18, 15AD in the first year.
1AD to 10AD is in the first decade. 01 to 10.
1AD to 100AD is in the first century. 001 to 100.
Notice the zero 10s and zero 100s.
1AD not 0Ad. 1AD to 2AD is in counting is in year 2 not in 1 as in 0 to 1. Maybe you cannot understand this.
Otherwise Luke is wrong on in the 15th year.

The Passover in Mark 14:12-16 was the Jewish calandar day the 14th of Nisan. Jesus was historically crucified per Mark on the 15th of Nisan. Bear in mind Jewish days begin at sun down. Because the 15th is a type of sabbath Joseph had to wait until sun down to ask for the body of Jesus.
Geneva NT Mark 15:14, "And nowe when the night was come (because it was the day of the preparation that is before the Sabbath)"

Please read my previous post again. I already reflected it there.

1st Year of Tiberius : August 19, 14AD - August 18, 15AD
2nd Year : Aug 19, 15AD-Aug 18, 16AD
3rd Year : Aug 19, 16AD thru Aug 18, 17AD
4th Year : Aug 18, 17AD thru Aug 18, 18AD
5th Year : Aug 19, 18AD thru Aug 18, 19AD
6th Year : Aug 19, 19AD thru Aug 18, 20AD
7th Year : Aug 19, 20AD thru Aug 18, 21AD
8th Year : Aug 19, 21AD thru Aug 18, 22 AD
9th Year : Aug 19, 22AD thru Aug 18, 23AD
10th Year : Aug 19, 23AD thru Aug 18, 24AD
11th Year : Aug 19, 24AD thru Aug18, 25AD
12th Year : Aug 19, 25AD thru Aug18, 26AD
13th Year : Aug 19, 26AD thru Aug 18, 27AD
14th Year : Aug 19, 27AD thru Aug 18, 28AD
15th Year : Aug 19, 28 AD thru Aug 18, 29AD - John the Baptist baptized Jesus, ( Luke 3:1)
First Passover ( John 2) : April 29AD

16th Year : Aug 19, 29AD thru Aug 18, 30AD - Second Passover John 5
17th Year : Aug 19, 30AD thru Aug 18, 31AD - Third Passover -John 6
18th Year : Aug 19, 31AD thru Aug 18, 32AD - 4th Passover- John 12- John 19, April 32AD


There is a scarce chance for 31AD to be correct:
1) If Augustus and Tiberius co-reigned during the last 1 year
2) Artaxerxes became the king before Nisan Month of 465BC and thereby 20th Artaxerxes meant 446BC, Nisan month

But 30AD needs
1) Co-reign 2 years
2) Artaxerxes reigned from before Nisan of 466BC
In this case Passover of 30AD was April 7, 30AD which was Friday. In this case, High Sabbath and the Regular Sabbath are duplicated.

Please check whether I said : Zeroth year of Tiberius for Aug 19, 14AD thru Aug 18, 15AD

I never mentioned Zero year of Tiberius.
There is No 0 Year, Zero Century, Zeroth reign year.
After 1BC is 1AD
The first year of Tiberius was August 19, 14AD thru 18 August, 15AD
Then 15th Year of Tiberius was August 19, 28AD thru 18 August, 29AD

If you find any error, please tell me

Eliyahu

 

[baptistmemes]

You know that the first attack on Easter was from a ROMAN CATHOLIC VENERABLE BEDE, right? So why will the RCC attack its own thing?

Easter being started by paganism and/or the RCC has no actual historical proof whatsoever. All the accusations made by Bede has no archaeological proof to this day. It was being celebrated by Pauline Celtic Christians who were apart from the RCC, and the RCC accused them of paganism.

If the Bible is to be believed, Christians celebrated Easter as early as a decade after Christ's ascension.

 

[Hannahande]

You're right. But why should we Baptists celebrate His resurrection on a day set by the RCC ?

I'm also asking the same. What made the Baptist celebrate easter and do not celebrate lent?