EASTER WAS - WEDNESDAY, MAR.31 ! !

[robycop3]

I'm also asking the same. What made the Baptist celebrate easter and do not celebrate lent?

The main event of Christianity is the resurrection of Jesus. While we aren't COMMANDED to observe its anniversary, there's certainly nothing bad about properly observing it. Actually, that anniversary was observed by some Christians before the RCC came about.

 

[MarysSon]

The main event of Christianity is the resurrection of Jesus. While we aren't COMMANDED to observe its anniversary, there's certainly nothing bad about properly observing it. Actually, that anniversary was observed by some Christians before the RCC came about.

Okay - sooooo, WHEN was it first observed and WHAT is the "RCC"?

Also - are ever going to answer my question from post #33?
I asked you:
As for Sola Scriptura - are you telling me that you DON'T consider the Scriptures to be our "Sole Authority"??
If not - what other Authority do YOU believe there is?

 

[robycop3]

Okay - sooooo, WHEN was it first observed and WHAT is the "RCC"?

it was observed some time in the 2nd century. I have read about it in some of the early "church fathers' " writings, but I don't remember which one(s). Perhaps Logos or R. L. Vaughn can shed more light.
As for "RCC", it's an acronym for "Roman Catholic Church".

Also - are ever going to answer my question from post #33?
I asked you:
As for Sola Scriptura - are you telling me that you DON'T consider the Scriptures to be our "Sole Authority"??
If not - what other Authority do YOU believe there is?

On the contrary, I said, &have said for a long time I AM Sola Scriptura, not believing ANY man-made doctrine of faith/religion. "If it aint in Scripture, it aint true!"

 

[MarysSon]

it was observed some time in the 2nd century. I have read about it in some of the early "church fathers' " writings, but I don't remember which one(s). Perhaps Logos or R. L. Vaughn can shed more light.
As for "RCC", it's an acronym for "Roman Catholic Church".

No - perhaps YOU can shed ore light.
If YOU make a claim - then YOU had better be prepared to back it up.

As for "RCC" - time for another lesson . . .
“Roman” or “Latin” simply refers to the Liturgical Rite – of which there are some twenty that comprise the ONE Catholic Church.

There is also the Melkite Rite, the Maronite, Byzantine, Coptic, etc. These are largely cultural and are united doctrinally. So, when YOU say, “RCC” – you’re only referring to ONE of those Liturgical Rites.

We are called, “The Catholic Church”, so “CC” would be more accurate.

On the contrary, I said, &have said for a long time I AM Sola Scriptura, not believing ANY man-made doctrine of faith/religion. "If it aint in Scripture, it aint true!"

Funny, because Sola Scripture IS a man made, 16th century invention.
Scripture itself doesn't teach this - so how can you hold it to be true if you are a Sola Scripturist??

 

[Squire Robertsson]

We are called, “The Catholic Church”, so “CC” would be more accurate.

Around here, we use RCC for Roman Catholic Church in contrast to the EOC, Eastern Orthodox Church.

 

[MarysSon]

Around here, we use RCC for Roman Catholic Church in contrast to the EOC, Eastern Orthodox Church.

And that would STILL be wrong.

It's the Orthodox Churches and the Catholic Church. "Roman" is simply ONE of twenty Liturgical Rites.

 

[robycop3]

No - perhaps YOU can shed ore light.
If YOU make a claim - then YOU had better be prepared to back it up.

Without boring everyone, one 2nd C.source was Melito of Sardis. Anyone interested can do his/her own homework to see what he wrote.

As for "RCC" - time for another lesson . . .
“Roman” or “Latin” simply refers to the Liturgical Rite – of which there are some twenty that comprise the ONE Catholic Church.

There is also the Melkite Rite, the Maronite, Byzantine, Coptic, etc. These are largely cultural and are united doctrinally. So, when YOU say, “RCC” – you’re only referring to ONE of those Liturgical Rites.

We are called, “The Catholic Church”, so “CC” would be more accurate.

The Catholic church is widely called "ROMAN Catholic" in the USA, especially after much of its reputation went south due to the "Boyzz R Us" clubs & the attempts to cover them up.

Funny, because Sola Scripture IS a man made, 16th century invention.
Scripture itself doesn't teach this - so how can you hold it to be true if you are a Sola Scripturist??

Scripture doesn't teach any other source but itself, and the words spoken directly by Jesus & the apostles, which. of a necessity, became part of Scripture after Jesus returned to heaven & the apostles died. All our knowledge of God comes from Scripture only.

There's no longer any new Scripture being made.

 

[MarysSon]

Without boring everyone, one 2nd C.source was Melito of Sardis. Anyone interested can do his/her own homework to see what he wrote.

Actually - I don't doubt that. I agree that Easter and Christmas were being celebrated in the Early Church.

MY problem with your claim was that this happened "BEFORE" the formation of the Catholic Church, wh9ch is silly.
The Catholic Church WAS the only Church of the first several centuries

The Catholic church is widely called "ROMAN Catholic" in the USA, especially after much of its reputation went south due to the "Boyzz R Us" clubs & the attempts to cover them up.

Not sue whay ANY of this would "change" the name of the "Catholic Church".
Do YOU change your name every time YOU make a bad decision?

Scripture doesn't teach any other source but itself, and the words spoken directly by Jesus & the apostles, which. of a necessity, became part of Scripture after Jesus returned to heaven & the apostles died. All our knowledge of God comes from Scripture only.

There's no longer any new Scripture being made.

WRONG.

For starters, as a Sola Scripturist - the onus is on YOU to show me where the Bible says it is our "Sole" Authority..
If you can't do that - then your whole false doctrine circles the drain.

Secondly - Jesus gave His Church supreme earthly Authority - that WHATEVER His Church declared on earth would also be declared in Heaven. And He didn't just say it once (Matt. 16:19-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).)

Finally, Paul tells us that the ORAL teachings of the Church hold the SAME weight as Scripture:
2 Thess 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a LETTER from us."

And there is NO expiration date on 2 Thess. 2:15 . . .

 

[robycop3]

Actually - I don't doubt that. I agree that Easter and Christmas were being celebrated in the Early Church.

MY problem with your claim was that this happened "BEFORE" the formation of the Catholic Church, wh9ch is silly.
The Catholic Church WAS the only Church of the first several centuries

Actually, there was simply "the Church", which over time split into several factions. The first "popes" never knew they were popes. Peter didn't establish a church in Rome; Paul did. He'd be a much-better candidate for pope than Peter; he was not married, as was Peter, and he DID establish a church in Rome.

Not sue whay ANY of this would "change" the name of the "Catholic Church".
Do YOU change your name every time YOU make a bad decision?

Well, the seat of the CC, if you prefer, is in Rome. In some of their rulings, it's written that "ROME says...". And it was called "RCC" long before my time.

WRONG

.

For starters, as a Sola Scripturist - the onus is on YOU to show me where the Bible says it is our "Sole" Authority..
If you can't do that - then your whole false doctrine circles the drain.

Know any other actual sources for knowledge of God & His words?

Secondly - Jesus gave His Church supreme earthly Authority - that WHATEVER His Church declared on earth would also be declared in Heaven. And He didn't just say it once (Matt. 16:19-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).)

Again, Peter didn't know he was pope, & never acted like it. And this was in the days before the CC became corrupt & full of false doctrines.

Finally, Paul tells us that the ORAL teachings of the Church hold the SAME weight as Scripture:
2 Thess 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a LETTER from us."

And there is NO expiration date on 2 Thess. 2:15 . . .

It expired upon the death of the last apostle. God caused the things He wanted preserved to become part of Scripture.

And please don't try to tell us the CC hasn't become corrupt. Besides the sex scandals, there was a recent real-estate scandal involving the Vatican itself. Cardinal Giovanni Angelo Becciu suddenly resigned when caught up in that scandal. I could list other scandals involving CC officials all day !

 

[MarysSon]

Actually, there was simply "the Church", which over time split into several factions. The first "popes" never knew they were popes. Peter didn't establish a church in Rome; Paul did. He'd be a much-better candidate for pope than Peter; he was not married, as was Peter, and he DID establish a church in Rome.

Actually – NO.

The Church was being CALLED the "Catholic Church" by the end of the first century. We see this in the Letter to the Smyrnaeans by St. Ignatius – who was a student of the Apostle John and appointed Bishop of Antioch by Peter. He wrote the following – while the Apostle John was presumably STLIL alive.

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

Well, the seat of the CC, if you prefer, is in Rome. In some of their rulings, it's written that "ROME says...". And it was called "RCC" long before my time.

It’s STILL not called the “Roman” Catholic Church or “RCC”. Every Melkite, Maronite, Coptic, Byzantine, etc., Catholic would have a problem with you calling it that.

It is simply, “The Catholic Church”.

Know any other actual sources for knowledge of God & His words?

Absolutely: His CHURCH.

Matt. 16:18-19
I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven; and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Matt. 18:18
Amen, I say to you, WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven, and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

The fact that YOU have a problem with God's will is irrelevant . . .

Again, Peter didn't know he was pope, & never acted like it. .

Soooo, WHICH days would those be?
2nd century?
3rd century?

It expired upon the death of the last apostle. God caused the things He wanted preserved to become part of Scripture.

And please don't try to tell us the CC hasn't become corrupt. Besides the sex scandals, there was a recent real-estate scandal involving the Vatican itself. Cardinal Giovanni Angelo Becciu suddenly resigned when caught up in that scandal. I could list other scandals involving CC officials all day !

As a Sola Scripturist – YOU will have to show me where the BIBLE says that 2 Thess. 2:15 has “expired”.
You can’t because Sola Scriptura is a self-defeating doctrine because it can’t even prove ITSELF . . .

You will also have to show me where there were NO sinful people in Christ's Church at ANY time in history. Jesus Himself chose a DEVIL to be one of His Apostles (John 6:71).

I eagerly await your findings . . .

 

[Salty]

It’s STILL not called the “Roman” Catholic Church or “RCC”. Every Melkite, Maronite, Coptic, Byzantine, etc., Catholic would have a problem with you calling it that.

It is simply, “The Catholic Church”.

Interesting MS! What would you say to Bishop Douglas J. Lucia?
Home » Roman Catholic Diocese of Syracuse

and one other thing - it the Lord God wanted the proper name to be "The Catholic Church" why don't we see that in the Bible?

 

[Salty]

and one other thing - it the Lord God wanted the proper name to be "The Catholic Church" why don't we see that in the Bible?

If anything the Church of Christ wold have a better claim!

 

[robycop3]

Actually – NO.

The Church was being CALLED the "Catholic Church" by the end of the first century. We see this in the Letter to the Smyrnaeans by St. Ignatius – who was a student of the Apostle John and appointed Bishop of Antioch by Peter. He wrote the following – while the Apostle John was presumably STLIL alive.

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

First, any info that Peter appointed Iggy to anything is quite-sketchy, & comes from many CC sources. And once Jesus ascended to heaven, there's not been any physical presence of Him that man knows of.

And here's a link to what Iggy's letter to Smyrna ACTUALLY SAYS ! https://www.orderofstignatius.org/files/Letters/Ignatius_to_Smyrnaeans.pdf

It’s STILL not called the “Roman” Catholic Church or “RCC”. Every Melkite, Maronite, Coptic, Byzantine, etc., Catholic would have a problem with you calling it that.

It is simply, “The Catholic Church”.

But the majority of the USA is NOT of the CC. And while Pres. Biden says he is, his pro-abortion stance says otherwise.

Absolutely:

His CHURCH.

I'm a n indy fundy baptist, which is as much His Church as any other, and we've received ALL our intel about God & His commands to man from SCRIPTURE ONLY. If Granny told us, a pastor, a friend, or an at-large Christian, all ultimately got their info from ECRIPTURE.

Matt. 16:18-19

I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven; and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

Matt. 18:18
Amen, I say to you, WHATEVER YOU BIND on earth shall be bound in heaven, and WHATEVER YOU LOOSE on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."


The fact that YOU have a problem with God's will is irrelevant . . .

So, what else did Peter do but preach?

Soooo, WHICH days would those be?
2nd century?
3rd century?

During his lifetime.

As a Sola Scripturist – YOU will have to show me where the BIBLE says that 2 Thess. 2:15 has “expired”.
You can’t because Sola Scriptura is a self-defeating doctrine because it can’t even prove ITSELF . . .

You will also have to show me where there were NO sinful people in Christ's Church at ANY time in history. Jesus Himself chose a DEVIL to be one of His Apostles (John 6:71).

I eagerly await your findings . . .

Jesus DELIBERATELY chose Judas. And in the past, legitimate churches took steps to purge evildoers from their ranks, rather than launch cover-ups to try to keep the evil from becoming public.

I believe you know, but won't admit, that any of the last few popes could've taken swift, drastic, authoritative ACTION to have ended most of the recent scandals before they grew. Long as the RCC continues its ridiculous "celibacy for clergy" practice, there'll be those who give in to sexual aberrations, but the pope could swiftly make an end of the problem & compensate its victims in one day if he chose.

Now, may we get back to the subject, that Easter was not on Sunday this year ?

 

[Salty]

Now, may we get back to the subject, that Easter was not on Sunday this year ?

(note: bold = my emphasis.

A word to the wise is sufficent

 

[MarysSon]

Interesting MS! What would you say to Bishop Douglas J. Lucia?
Home » Roman Catholic Diocese of Syracuse

and one other thing - it the Lord God wanted the proper name to be "The Catholic Church" why don't we see that in the Bible?

Because it's NOT a Melkite Catholic Diocese or a Maronite Catholic Diocese or a Byzantine Catholic Diocese or a Coptic Catholic Diocese, etc.
It is a Roman Catholic Diocese. This simply identifies the LITURGIUCAL RITE.

As for your second question - exactly what do YOU think the Lord God wanted the Church to be called?
Do YOU think He called it the . . .
"Lutheran" Church?
"Methodist" Church?
"Presbyterian" Church?
"Baptist" Church?
"Non-Denominational Evangelical Free" Church?

OR - did He leave that up to His Church, whom He gave complete earthly Authority to?

 

[37818]

Because it's NOT a Melkite Catholic Diocese or a Maronite Catholic Diocese or a Byzantine Catholic Diocese or a Coptic Catholic Diocese, etc.
It is a Roman Catholic Diocese. This simply identifies the LITURGIUCAL RITE.

As for your second question - exactly what do YOU think the Lord God wanted the Church to be called?
Do YOU think He called it the . . .
"Lutheran" Church?
"Methodist" Church?
"Presbyterian" Church?
"Baptist" Church?
"Non-Denominational Evangelical Free" Church?

OR - did He leave that up to His Church, whom He gave complete earthly Authority to?

Hmm. Not a single New Testament church called themselves "Catholic." They were addressed by where a church was located.

 

[MarysSon]

First, any info that Peter appointed Iggy to anything is quite-sketchy, & comes from many CC sources. And once Jesus ascended to heaven, there's not been any physical presence of Him that man knows of.

And here's a link to what Iggy's letter to Smyrna ACTUALLY SAYS ! https://www.orderofstignatius.org/files/Letters/Ignatius_to_Smyrnaeans.pdf

https://www.orderofstignatius.org/files/Letters/Ignatius_to_Smyrnaeans.pdf
It's "quite sketchy" because YOU disagree with it.
I could say the same for ANY Protestant source - and it would be equally irrelevant . . .

But the majority of the USA is NOT of the CC. And while Pres. Biden says he is, his pro-abortion stance says otherwise.

And this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the name of the Catholic Church.
Besides - Biden and Pelosi, et al, are Catholics in NAME ONLY.

I'm a n indy fundy baptist, which is as much His Church as any other, and we've received ALL our intel about God & His commands to man from SCRIPTURE ONLY. If Granny told us, a pastor, a friend, or an at-large Christian, all ultimately got their info from ECRIPTURE.

And you have YET to show me where Scripture prescribes this . . .

So, what else did Peter do but preach?

He and Paul established the Church in Rome - and both gave their lives for it by martyrdom.

Jesus DELIBERATELY chose Judas. And in the past, legitimate churches took steps to purge evildoers from their ranks, rather than launch cover-ups to try to keep the evil from becoming public.

I believe you know, but won't admit, that any of the last few popes could've taken swift, drastic, authoritative ACTION to have ended most of the recent scandals before they grew. Long as the RCC continues its ridiculous "celibacy for clergy" practice, there'll be those who give in to sexual aberrations, but the pope could swiftly make an end of the problem & compensate its victims in one day if he chose.

Then you don't know the FIRST thing about pedophiles.

In his book, Pedophiles and Priests by Protestant author, Philip Jenkins - he outlines the classic profile, which is usually a MARRIED man or some other man who is NOT dedicated to celibacy.

Jenkins also points out that this problem is FAR greater in the Protestant sects than in the Catholic Church.
Here are objective some examples . . .
Evangelicals ‘worse’ than Catholics on sexual abuse
Evangelical Sex Abuse Record ‘Worse’ Than Catholic, Says Billy Graham’s Grandson
Protestant Churches Grapple With Growing Sexual Abuse Crisis : NPR
Protestants can no longer dismiss abuse as a ‘Catholic problem’
Child Sex Abuse More Prevalent Among Protestants Than Among Catholics
There Is More Sexual Abuse In The Protestant Churches Than Catholic
Catholic priests no guiltier of sex abuse than other clergy
Data Shed Light on Child Sexual Abuse by Protestant Clergy

Now, may we get back to the subject, that Easter was not on Sunday this year ?

Sure - as long as YOU stop posting lies and falsehoods about the Catholic Church.

 

[MarysSon]

Hmm. Not a single New Testament church called themselves "Catholic." They were addressed by where a church was located.

And they STILL are.
We call them "Dioceses" and "Parishes".

 

[Salty]

And they STILL are.
We call them "Dioceses" and "Parishes".

DID YOU NOT READ POST 54

GO to post # 1 and read the OP

 

[MarysSon]

DID YOU NOT READ POST 54

GO to post # 1 and read the OP

That's fine 0 and I will comply.
However - I'm NOT the one who went on the original anti-Catholic tangent.

I was simply setting the record straight.