Who so evers are men being saved when they call of the Lord. They are not unbelievers.
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Easy Believism is my conclusion of the faith.
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Who's principle would that be? You interpreting a verse to say what you wish it said.
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Brightfame52
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Dave, I don't believe the private interps & man-made additions to the meanings of Scriptures. You're forgetting jesus' great Commission:No, my friend, it appears that you do not heed the word of God...
You appear, at least to me, to pick and choose His words based on whether or not you like them.
From where I'm sitting, it's easy to like passages such as John 3:16 and 1 John 2:2...but not so easy to like passages such as Psalms 5:5, Psalms 10:3, and Psalms 11:5.
But I have hope that someday His words will get through to you.
That is why I encourage you to carefully consider all of them, even the ones that you don't seem to like...
Passages such as John 6:37-47, John 6:64-65, John 8:43-47, Philippians 1:29, 2 Thessalonians 2:13 and Acts of the Apostles 13:48 which all tell us who believes and why.
May He bless you with much in your studies,
and may you look to Him by faith, for everything in this life...
Especially for the answers to how and why you have believed on Him and His Son.
Matt. 28:18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Most of those people to whom He sent them had never heard of Him. So their work also consisted of telling them who God is. They were given the ability to do certain miracles to prove God has power, & these apostles weren't just jive talkers, as were common even then. Once proof of God's power was established, they proceeded to tell them of Jesus & how to be saved. calling on Jesus' name & asking Him to save them.
"Born again" means being saved. And one must call on the Lord's name to be saved. And that means being born again (in the spirit) by calling on Jesus by name, asking Him to save one.
Dave G
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Neither do I.
You're forgetting why He made that commission...
Have you not read these?
" As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd." ( John 10:15-16 ).
" And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad. " ( John 11:52 ).
" That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:" ( Ephesians 1:10 )
Amen.
" Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;" ( John 17:20 ).
I agree, my friend.
Dave G
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Well-said, roby, and I quite agree...
Just as God's children are all mostly nobodies, He gave the Lord's apostles and prophets the power, through the Holy Spirit, to not only do miracles, but to know the mysteries of the kingdom of Heaven ( Matthew 13:10-11 ).
"How to be saved"?
Roby, it's not a "formula" to be followed that gains us eternal life...
One does not call upon Him to go from dark to light;
One calls upon Him because He has delivered us out of darkness and into the light:
"But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:" ( 1 Peter 2:9 ).
If you've believed on Him, my friend,
it's not because you called yourself out of darkness by calling upon Him, but because He did the "calling".
One calls upon Him out of a heart that has been made pure and in truth...
Not to "get" saved, but because they are saved.
Give Him the glory, my friend, and stop fighting His words.
Yes, we do call upon Him to save us out of many troubles and trials...
But we do so because we are God's precious children.
I'll put you back on "ignore" now, so I don't have to watch you get upset, my scrapping, hardheaded friend...
You remind me of me in sooo many ways.
I wish you well, as always.
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That is why they are UNBELIEVERS.
George Antonios
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This is my best attempt at balancing out all the views with as many verses as possible.
I would tend to agree with you.
What happened is some folks witnessed some fake convictionless conversions, and/or coupled with their non-New-Testament Lordship salvation doctrine (Lordship is salvation is true under the law) overcompensated by making it hard, so to speak.
God does the birthing. You cannot be "saved" unless God does it. The calling on the name of the Lord is the effect of the cause, just as a baby cannot make himself, but after birth can call out, "momma" or "dadda."
Give God the credit He deserves. Unless God births you, you cannot believe. John 3 makes this clear.
Respectfully, Sir, if you're trying to push calvinism off on me, IT WON'T WORK. God didn't create anyone just to go to hell without any chance of salvation. I remind you of 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
And please, don't tell me that letter was sent only to "the elect". Peter wrote exactly what God told him to write.
Joe Biden was MADE POTUS-elect; he wasn't born as such. Thus, Jesus MAKES 'elect' all who honestly come to Him in repentance & belief, calling on Him by name to save them.
God will birth Spiritually anyone who sincerely asks Him.
Sorry I was spring boarding off of your post, it wasn't directed at you Dave... I know what you believe!... Brother Glen
...you're too old to be doing any spring boarding anyway...
And how did you ask God to be physically birthed? Was it possible for you to do so? Did you will it from your momma's egg or your daddy's sperm before they were united in conception?
No, you had no capacity to will such a thing.
So it is spiritually. Romans 3 tells you that you don't have that capacity. Ephesians 2 tells you that you don't have that capacity. John 3 tells you that you do not have that capacity.
God must first do the work of new birth, making you alive, causing you to be born again...before you have the capacity to call him Father.
You are giving the power of salvation to yourself and attempting to take it away from God. What you are teaching is dishonorable toward God.
Brightfame52
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That doesnt make sense neither is it biblically. Thats like saying a physical baby sincerely asked to be born. Not happening.
You're right Kentucky, if I tried a swan dive in would turn into the ugliest belly flop you ever seen and if its my swan song, I'm so obstinate, bullheaded, and stubborn to leave, so you all with have to put up with this grumpy old timer... Brother Glen
So does this mean all gentiles are saved? Because Acts 28:28 says Gentiles will hear the gospel.
Act 28:28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
MB
Horse Feathers!
Big difference in physical birth & spiritual birth, but you're trying to equate them. Remember, Jesus said one must be born of water(which everyone is, involuntarily) and of the spirit, which one must ask Him to do.