Election And Predestination In Complete Harmony

Bro, I'm not sure why you think everything is some sort of militant, "gotta trip up the other guy", argument. I'm just asking questions

 

We show you links, give you the definition and you still want more.

What I showed you via the links and definition is my thought/belief.

 

I have no idea what hate means or how God hates.

 

****sigh*****<-----your response

Really bro?

 

Well, God will show His full hatref, His full wrath on the day of judgment.

To cast a multitude of ppl along with Satan and those who fell with him shows He does indeed hate.

 

I gave you multiple answers and you kept prodding me.

My apologies for my frustration.

 

God does not love, it is who He is.

God is love.

Now, because ppl violate His laws, He shows His hatred towards them.

 

Totally accepted...I'm just asking simple questions. I don't live in your brain remember lol

 

Really? Do you not read the Bible, Jon?

Psalms 5:4-5
[4]O God, you take no pleasure in wickedness; you cannot tolerate the sins of the wicked.
[5]Therefore, the proud may not stand in your presence, for you hate all who do evil.

Unless we are found in Christ, we are hated by God. Prepare for God's wrath to fall on those who imagine they can stand on their own, apart from being found in Christ.

 

Awfully small apartment. Cramped quarters.

 

Why do you hate me?

 

Poor deflection, Jon. Have the courage to honestly let God's word speak instead of running away.

 

If you don't hate me, you sure have an odd way of showing love.

 

“For a brief moment I abandoned you, but with deep compassion I will bring you back. I hid my face from you for a moment, but with everlasting kindness I will have compassion on you,”says the Lord your Redeemer.[Isaiah 54:7-8]

Here is a prophecy concerning the Christ as He stood in the place of sinners. He stood just as guilty as if He had commited those sins Himself. He became sin, though He never sinned once. God, in His holiness & righteousness, treated Jesus as if it was you or I. He does not show impartiality.

 

Now, I really don't have time to "debate", But how is this not the promise of the return from exile of Israel?

Kinda weird to say this about Jesus....

Isaiah 54:4-5 Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

 

judges 12
5 And the Gileadites took the passages of Jordan before the Ephraimites: and it was so, that when those Ephraimites which were escaped said, Let me go over; that the men of Gilead said unto him, Art thou an Ephraimite? If he said, Nay;
6 Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.

Application(s)?

HankD

 

Jesus stood in the place of His ppl. All that He went through, should have been ours, but He took it on our behalf. I say this to show the context of Isaiah 54...

The Future Glory of Zion
"Sing, barren woman, you who never bore a child; burst into song, shout for joy, you who were never in labor; because more are the children of the desolate woman than of her who has a husband,” says the Lord. “Enlarge the place of your tent, stretch your tent curtains wide, do not hold back; lengthen your cords, strengthen your stakes. For you will spread out to the right and to the left; your descendants will dispossess nations and settle in their desolate cities. “Do not be afraid; you will not be put to shame. Do not fear disgrace; you will not be humiliated. You will forget the shame of your youth and remember no more the reproach of your widowhood. For your Maker is your husband— the Lord Almighty is his name—the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer; he is called the God of all the earth. The Lord will call you back as if you were a wife deserted and distressed in spirit—a wife who married young, only to be rejected,” says your God. “For a brief moment I abandoned you, but with deep compassion I will bring you back. In a surge of anger I hid my face from you for a moment, but with everlasting kindness I will have compassion on you,” says the Lord your Redeemer.[Isaiah 54:1-8]

Now, it says that God abandoned you for a brief moment. Was that referring to Israel or Jesus as He was judged as a sinner who God had withdraw Himself from His Son? I believe the context here to be referring to the Christ symbolically. So, yes, you are correct in that this is referring to Israel(my mistake), but it was symbolic of the crucifixion of the Christ that was to come years later.

God forsook His Son during His trial and subsequent death, hid His face from His only Son, but He received Him back forever His Son.

 

Wouldn't enemy also be applicable?

For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life?[Romans 5:11]

 

And here is another verse in Isaiah 54 that shows this typified Christ's abandonment by His Father...

In righteousness you will be established: Tyranny will be far from you; you will have nothing to fear. Terror will be far removed; it will not come near you.[vs 14]

Righteousness by faith here, as it has always been.