Election and the many views of it?

[Jarthur001]

No. I don't choose to die either. What's yer point?

Who chose to place you >>> "in Christ"?

Just as Adam is the federal head of our race..."in Adam"

Christ is the federal head of the new race..."in Christ"

You did not chose the be born..."in Adam"...but you were.

Who chose to place you >>> "in Christ"?

 

[Jarthur001]

He chose us from the beginning of the world.......blah blah blah

I agree

 

[Joe]

I had a feeling you would

 

[FERRON BRIMSTONE]

My view of Election

After sin was introduced, and God entered the garden looking for Adam, what did Adam do?

Genesis 3:10 So he said, "I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself."

He hid, and Man has been hiding from God ever since.

Revelation 6:16 and said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!

We will not come to God on our own.. Rather we run from God and the acknowledgement of our sins.

God desires that all of us would come to him, but none of us will come on our own. So God does not choose who will go to hell, we choose hell ourselves. The problem is without God calling us and convicting us of our sins, we will continue in them, thus rejecting God and deserving hell.

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.

The existence of the World and all that is in it is clear evidence of God, yet we will not come to him without him initiating the call by placing conviction and guilt on our hearts. Therefore God Chooses some of us, for his own Divine reasons and through no merit of our own, to bring to him.

Matthew 20:16 So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen."

Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen."

Psalms 65:4 Blessed is the man You choose, And cause to approach You, That he may dwell in Your courts. We shall be satisfied with the goodness of Your house, Of Your holy temple.


This is the reason that Man is responsible if he goes to hell, but God deserves all the credit for salvation.

How did my Election come about? I was chosen before the foundation of the World.

Ephesians1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love

Revelation 13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

 

[TCGreek]

That there is much debate on the subject, and a "going round and round" with a seemingly endless argument highlights our remaining sin.

I quite agree with this statement, and the many examples of which I'm a part.

 

[Jarthur001]

After sin was introduced, and God entered the garden looking for Adam, what did Adam do?

Genesis 3:10 So he said, "I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself."

He hid, and Man has been hiding from God ever since.

Revelation 6:16 and said to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!

We will not come to God on our own.. Rather we run from God and the acknowledgement of our sins.

God desires that all of us would come to him, but none of us will come on our own. So God does not choose who will go to hell, we choose hell ourselves. The problem is without God calling us and convicting us of our sins, we will continue in them, thus rejecting God and deserving hell.

Romans 1:20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.

The existence of the World and all that is in it is clear evidence of God, yet we will not come to him without him initiating the call by placing conviction and guilt on our hearts. Therefore God Chooses some of us, for his own Divine reasons and through no merit of our own, to bring to him.

Matthew 20:16 So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few chosen."

Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen."

Psalms 65:4 Blessed is the man You choose, And cause to approach You, That he may dwell in Your courts. We shall be satisfied with the goodness of Your house, Of Your holy temple.


This is the reason that Man is responsible if he goes to hell, but God deserves all the credit for salvation.

How did my Election come about? I was chosen before the foundation of the World.

Ephesians1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love

Revelation 13:8 and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

Hello FERRON,

One passage that I like and is overlooked by many, that also deals with election..

2Ti 2:4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of [this] life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

 

[Jarthur001]

Another good one...

Hbr 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

 

[Jarthur001]

Did I hear someone ask for another?

Phl 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

 

[ReformedBaptist]

He chose us from the beginning of the world.......blah blah blah

I am surprised by this reply brother. It almost completely uses the very words of Holy Scripture, "He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world" and yet it is followed by "blah blah blah" :tear:

O Lord our God, be merciful to your people.

 

[Amy.G]

This is the reason that Man is responsible if he goes to hell, but God deserves all the credit for salvation.

I agree with most of your post, but man cannot be held responsible for rejecting that which was never offered. That is not justice. God is just and the only ones who will go to hell have willfully and knowingly rejected Christ.

 

[Amy.G]

I am surprised by this reply brother. It almost completely uses the very words of Holy Scripture, "He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world" and yet it is followed by "blah blah blah" :tear:

O Lord our God, be merciful to your people.

Oh please. Joe's remark was aimed at Calvinists, not scripture.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

I agree with most of your post, but man cannot be held responsible for rejecting that which was never offered. That is not justice. God is just and the only ones who will go to hell have willfully and knowingly rejected Christ.

Man ought not to judge the doctrine of Scripture by their own understanding of justice.

 

[webdog]

God indeed.


So you were placed "in Adam" by God. (birth)
and.. you were placed "in Christ" by God (new birth)


Who made the choice for you to be placed >> in Adam?

God or you?

To be "in Adam" in the sense the Scripture states it is to become sinful like Adam. If God placed us in Adam (ala, we became as Adam was), He has chosen for us to sin. We are "in Adam" by sinning as Adam did. We are "in Christ" by putting our faith in Christ. If one is from God, both are. Faith and sin come from within man. The Holy Spirit illuminates our condition and we respond by either accepting (faith) or rejecting (sin).

 

[Jarthur001]

I agree with most of your post, but man cannot be held responsible for rejecting that which was never offered. That is not justice. God is just and the only ones who will go to hell have willfully and knowingly rejected Christ.

What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction?

 

[ReformedBaptist]

Oh please. Joe's remark was aimed at Calvinists, not scripture.

Why so much disdain toward someone who wept for his brother?

 

[Amy.G]

Why so much disdain toward someone who wept for his brother?

No disdain. I love you. I just think you're being a bit over dramatic. I think you really do understand what Joe meant.

 

[Amy.G]

Man ought not to judge the doctrine of Scripture by their own understanding of justice.

I get my understanding of justice from the only one who is just. Our Lord.

 

[Amy.G]

What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction?

Yes, God is patient, even with unbelievers.

 

[Jarthur001]

To be "in Adam" in the sense the Scripture states it is to become sinful like Adam. If God placed us in Adam (ala, we became as Adam was), He has chosen for us to sin. We are "in Adam" by sinning as Adam did. We are "in Christ" by putting our faith in Christ. If one is from God, both are. Faith and sin come from within man. The Holy Spirit illuminates our condition and we respond by either accepting (faith) or rejecting (sin).

hummm

what is the 3rd race..?

IN Adam...those that sin

In Christ...those that are saved.

You believe that man must sin before they are guilty. What race are they in before they sin?

 

[webdog]

hummm

what is the 3rd race..?

IN Adam...those that sin

In Christ...those that are saved.

You believe that man must sin before they are guilty. What race are they in before they sin?

There is no third race. There is either guilty or not guilty. Infants are not guilty.

Eph 2:1 And you did he make alive, when ye were dead through your trespasses and sins,