Elevation of women in the church and in society

[Rufus_1611]

:laugh: I was expecting this one to appear. Wear it with pride gents, you've earned it!

I'm looking for a Bible denier one for effeminate men...no success so far. :laugh:

 

[Dale-c]

However, Paul was a fallible human being, and in other verses, he is quite uncharitable toward women.

So are those verses not really a part of the word of God?

 

[Dale-c]

Rufus, You are right, but we do have to be careful in how we take our positions -- boldly, firmly, respectfully . . .

And above all else, truthfully and honestly.
Without bearing false witness.

The ten commandments does not mention respecting your neighbor but it does say not to bear false witness against him. (or her)

 

[Magnetic Poles]

So are those verses not really a part of the word of God?

They were written to a specific audience at one specific place and time. Some have universal application, others are more targeted to members of a specific church in a specific society.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

I'm looking for a Bible denier one for effeminate men...no success so far. :laugh:

Don't be so hard on yourself, Rufus!:laugh: I'm sure you'll find one to match your purse!:thumbs:

 

[Dale-c]

so ha Gad changed his mind
?
is what was right then wrong now?
when did this change?

 

[Magnetic Poles]

so ha Gad changed his mind
?
is what was right then wrong now?
when did this change?

God hasn't. Sinful men have.
The Bible accepts slavery in its teachings. Today, we find it abhorent. Things DO change.

 

[Dale-c]

God hasn't. Sinful men have.
The Bible accepts slavery in its teachings. Today, we find it abhorent. Things DO change.

So things were wrong back then but they are ok now and vice versa?
Right and wrong are decided by sinful man? is that what you are saying?

 

[Dale-c]

God hasn't. Sinful men have.
The Bible accepts slavery in its teachings. Today, we find it abhorent. Things DO change.

So you are saying that something that the Bible says is ok could now be wrong because times have changed?

 

[Magnetic Poles]

So you are saying that something that the Bible says is ok could now be wrong because times have changed?

Dale, Jesus himself taught that God gives orders that change due to the sinful nature of man. From Matthew 19:

5And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
6Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
7They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

It is not that God changed, but his interaction with humanity did, based on humanity's sinful nature.

 

[Jim1999]

I don't believe for a moment that the message of God to humankind included customs of the times. In these modern times, women have not been elevated. They have been recognized as half of the human race, as God intended.

It is amazing how the modern Christian wants to, and does, move the church into the twenty-first century; music, methods, buildings, modernity, but stubbornly wants to subordinate women to an archaic custom. I don't wear sandals and I sure don't wear gowns!

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Analgesic]

A husband certainly has the duty to love his wife and do what is best for her but the ultimate decision on whether she works and where she works has to meet with his approval.

My wife does a lot of thing without the appearance of my permission but she still has it.
She didn't have to ask me about the painting she is doing now but if for some reason I had felt that was not in the best interest of our family I could have over ruled.
Of course something like that is fine.

Fair enough, as long as she gets a similar veto power.

 

[Cutter]

I have thoroughly enjoyed the debate thus far. Thanks for all of the insight, both biblical and personal. I have to give Dale and Rufus the advantage because of their biblical support for their position, which is my position, as well. I say so without equivocation or reservation. :godisgood:

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I have thoroughly enjoyed the debate thus far. Thanks for all of the insight, both biblical and personal. I have to give Dale and Rufus the advantage because of their biblical support for their position, which is my position, as well. I say so without equivocation or reservation. :godisgood:

Good man - those who agree with you win the debate

 

[rbell]

Has the elevation of women in society weakened our national security?

Those darn high heels...

(pun already made? Please forgive. Too lazy to check).

:laugh:

 

[Hopeful]

Those darn high heels...

(pun already made? Please forgive. Too lazy to check).

:laugh:

So THAT's what's causing us Danged Uppity Women!!!
:laugh:

 

[Dale-c]

Come in Dale - read the whole post. I explained exactly what I meant.

I did read your post. I see you mean to loving etc but do you believe that you as the head of your home must have the final say in such matters?
I am sure you give your wife liberty but I am also sure that she does not do things on a daily basis that you disprove of.

Are you saying you do need to approve of where she would work etc, but that you should be kind and considerate of how you exercise your authority?
If so then I am in complete agreement.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I've never had to be "the boss.' We are one - neither one of us would knowingly do anything that the other would be strongly opposed to. In almost 30 years I've never had to exercise any kind of "final authority."





Edited to make sense

 

[mcdirector]

I've never had to be "the boss.' We are one - neither one of us would know anything that the other would be strongly opposed to. In almost 30 years I've never had to exercise any kind of "final authority."

And, praise God, this is the same kind of marriage that Ron and I have had. If he had to, I would agree to it, but we are in such agreement, he's never had to.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

I've never had to be "the boss.' We are one - neither one of us would knowingly do anything that the other would be strongly opposed to. In almost 30 years I've never had to exercise any kind of "final authority."

:thumbs: THAT is how it is supposed to work!