Elevation of women in the church and in society

[Sopranette]

Oh, yeah. I forgot to include you, too, Dale-C. The whole lot of you need to go find a tree house where you could start your own secret club. No girls allowed, of course.

Sopranette

 

[Dale-c]

Oh, yeah. I forgot to include you, too, Dale-C. The whole lot of you need to go find a tree house where you could start your own secret club. No girls allowed, of course.

Sopranette

Include me in what?
Some one asked for objectivity and all you have done is called out names.
What have I done to make you so mad?

 

[Bro. Williams]

A lot of men led while Israel was in rebellion, was that God's judgement? Why are you guys picking Deborah out of all the judges as a sign of God's judgement. It is obvious she was God's woman for the hour.

I thought we were talking of Deborah, not the men. The men have always ruled, so there is an exception during a point of rebellion.

 

[Bro. Williams]

Oh, yeah. I forgot to include you, too, Dale-C. The whole lot of you need to go find a tree house where you could start your own secret club. No girls allowed, of course.

Sopranette

What does it take to get on the list around here? I want to be with those standing for the truth, count me in with Dale and the boys!

(Is this the secret to being able to post on the men's only forum?)

 

[Dale-c]

What does it take to get on the list around here? I want to be with those standing for the truth, count me in with Dale and the boys!

I wondered the same thing!
I am honored to be in such company but I don't even know what I did to deserve it!

 

[christianyouth]

First an ass, now a cat. Just when I think the sexist comments can get no worse, they do.

Real men don't have to subjugate women to be masculine. Real Christians don't pick & choose passages, twisting them to prop up their misogyny.

God has created the world with order. He has created the family with order. The husband is to be a protector, provider, and leader of the home. Yes, this means subjugating the wife. The wife is to find her joy in obedience to God and her husband, raising godly children and endeavoring to serve God in her full. This is the Bibles teaching, and you are still rebelling.

 

[Dale-c]

The wife is to find her joy in obedience to God and the husband, raising godly children and endeavoring to serve God in all of her capacity.

It should be added that this in no way makes her an inferior being or somehow a second class person.
She can be very fulfilled and joyful in obedience t o God.

 

[Bro. Williams]

Someone made a good point a day or so ago, was it EdSutton? ABout the ministry a woman has in the home training her children up in the way that they should go. It is amazing how many women want to be in a "bigger" part of the ministry yet will neglect this.

 

[Dale-c]

Someone made a good point a day or so ago, was it EdSutton? ABout the ministry a woman has in the home training her children up in the way that they should go. It is amazing how many women want to be in a "bigger" part of the ministry yet will neglect this.

Some must not realize that it doesn't get any bigger than that!

 

[Analgesic]

God has created the world with order. He has created the family with order. The husband is to be a protector, provider, and leader of the home. Yes, this means subjugating the wife. The wife is to find her joy in obedience to God and her husband, raising godly children and endeavoring to serve God in her full. This is the Bibles teaching, and you are still rebelling.

And you're still rebuking your elders. Remove first the twig...

 

[Jonathan]

Someone made a good point a day or so ago, was it EdSutton? ABout the ministry a woman has in the home training her children up in the way that they should go. It is amazing how many women want to be in a "bigger" part of the ministry yet will neglect this.

Were I a betting man, I'd wager that the number of men who have neglected their own primary ministry to their wives and children in order to fulfill a desire for a "bigger" part of ministry far exceeds the number of women who have done the same.

 

[Bro. Williams]

is there no one older than you here analgesic?

 

[Bro. Williams]

Were I a betting man, I'd wager that the number of men who have neglected their own primary ministry to their wives and children in order to fulfill a desire for a "bigger" part of ministry far exceeds the number of women who have done the same.

That would certainly be a hard bet to determine.

Do not misunderstand, I agree that men do exactly what you say. As far as the percentage of each in this day and age, hard to tell. The thread is on women though. you could start a thread on the men if you like and I will post there concerning that.

 

[Analgesic]

is there no one older than you here analgesic?

Nope. Just call me Methuselah.

 

[Dale-c]

Were I a betting man, I'd wager that the number of men who have neglected their own primary ministry to their wives and children in order to fulfill a desire for a "bigger" part of ministry far exceeds the number of women who have done the same.

This is quite possibly true, though I would not get into percentages.

The fact is, men who do this lead to feminist women.
Feminism and wimpy men lead to sodomy and lesbianism.
Those trends area a fact of history.
If any of your insist that feminism is desirable, then please expect the homosexuality that will follow.
Maybe not in your family, but in society as a whole.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

And you're still rebuking your elders. Remove first the twig...

I seriously am thinking of sending CY a towel, since he is still so wet behind the ears! :laugh: I would hope the pup opens his eyes someday, but apparently, as seen in this thread, not all do, even with age. Somehow, despite his claims of being biblical, he violates biblical principle by presuming to lecture his elders. So much for following the Bible.

Then there's our "buddy" Rufus. Rufus' own words identify him for what he is, then gets mad when it is pointed out. He then accuses me of ad hominems, while he hurls them one after the other. Sad really.

Seriously, how many of these "he-man" misogynists would like to live under the rules they wish to impose on females. I'd wager none. As for their wives being happy, I bet if they were honest, the wives would tell a different story. If not, I have two words for you...Stockholm Syndrome. If you don't know what it is, look it up.

I don't know how any man could be happy lording over his life mate. I find it is more conducive to bonding with a woman who is intellectually able to share ideas, make me think, and to interact as full equals. Unfortunately, that is not what these guys are seeking, and let me tell you, they are missing out. I must be doing something right. Thirty-three years, grown children, and grandchildren later, we are going stronger than ever. I value my wife's opinions, and she, mine. I don't rule over her. We make decisions together. We are a team of equal parts.

As Lily Tomlin's character, Edith Ann would say..."And that's the truth!"

 

[Dale-c]

he violates biblical principle by presuming to lecture his elders.

I thought the culture was different then.
Or does it only apply to what you want it to apply to?

I agree that youth should be respectful of elders but that is a strawman and you are avoiding the fact that it is YOU that is denying the clear teaching of the Bible.

 

[ccrobinson]

Yes, this means subjugating the wife.

Subjugating the wife has absolutely nothing to do with Biblical submission.

Heaven help us if this is the kind of garbage churches are teaching teenagers today. Biblical submission is NEVER about subjugating the wife. Ever.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Subjugating the wife has absolutely nothing to do with Biblical submission.

Heaven help us if this is the kind of garbage churches are teaching teenagers today. Biblical submission is NEVER about subjugating the wife. Ever.

A hearty AMEN! to that.

 

[Amy.G]

sub·ju·gate /ˈsʌbdʒəˌgeɪt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[suhb-juh-geyt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), -gat·ed, -gat·ing. 1. to bring under complete control or subjection; conquer; master.
2. to make submissive or subservient; enslave.