Ellen G. White False Prophecies

[DrJamesAch]

For our 2 Sabbath breaking 7th Day Adventists on here:

False Prophecies of Ellen G. White

Prediction #1: Jesus will return in June, 1845

Prediction #2: Jesus will return in September, 1845

Prediction #3: Whites to be Thrown in Prison in 1846

Prediction #4: The Great Pestilence that Never Came

Prediction #5: Jesus to come in "months"

Prediction #6: Some at 1856 Conference to see Jesus return

Prediction #7: Earth to be depopulated soon

Prediction #8: Slavery to Revive in the South

Prediction #9: Slave Masters to Suffer Seven Last Plagues

Prediction #10: Sick man to recover

Prediction #11: Rappings will increase

"When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously; thou shalt not be afraid of him." (Deut. 18:22)

 

[targus]

Good luck with that!!!

First will come the attempt to ignore the specific failed prophesies with a derailment to a discussion about prophets in general without ever getting to the reason that anyone should consider Ellen White as a prophet.

Second will come the claim that these are all "conditional" prophesies. We won't be told what the "conditions" were but we will be told that they obviously were "conditional" since God changed his mind and they did not come true. :laugh:

 

[BobRyan]

For our 2 Sabbath breaking 7th Day Adventists on here:

False Prophecies of Ellen G. White

Prediction #1: Jesus will return in June, 1845

Prediction #2: Jesus will return in September, 1845

Prediction #3: Whites to be Thrown in Prison in 1846

Prediction #4: The Great Pestilence that Never Came

Prediction #5: Jesus to come in "months"

Prediction #6: Some at 1856 Conference to see Jesus return

Prediction #7: Earth to be depopulated soon

Prediction #8: Slavery to Revive in the South

Prediction #9: Slave Masters to Suffer Seven Last Plagues

Prediction #10: Sick man to recover

Prediction #11: Rappings will increase

"When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously; thou shalt not be afraid of him." (Deut. 18:22)

you are quoting yourself to make up these claims. (Hint your own playbook web site does not even quote Ellen White until attempt number 4.)

Hint - Quote Ellen White actually saying something you wish to discredit -- something that shows you know what you are talking about -- because you lost all credibility on 1 and 2 alone.

And try not to get stuck making an argument that turns Jonah into a false prophet, simply because you reject Jeremiah 18.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[targus]

you are quoting yourself to make up these claims. (Hint your own playbook web site does not even quote Ellen White until attempt number 4.)

Hint - Quote Ellen White actually saying something you wish to discredit -- something that shows you know what you are talking about -- because you lost all credibility on 1 and 2 alone.

And try not to get stuck making an argument that turns Jonah into a false prophet, simply because you reject Jeremiah 18.

in Christ,

Bob

Oops... I forgot about Bobryan's "you are quoting yourself" dodge.

FOLLOW THE LINK, Bobryan. The quotes and references for all of the FAILED predictions are right there.

But of course you already knew that but do not have an answer. :laugh:

 

[Revmitchell]

An Unbroken String of Failures Predicting Christ's Return

The 1856 prediction was the last in an amazingly unsuccessful series of predictions of Christ's return made by Ellen White. Lucinda Burdick, a friend of Mrs. White in the 1840's, explains how Mrs. White often predicted Christ's return:

I became acquainted with James White and Ellen Harmon (now Mrs. White) early in 1845. ... She pretended God showed her things which did not come to pass. At one time she saw that the Lord would come the second time in June 1845. The prophecy was discussed in all the churches, and in a little "shut-door paper" published in Portland, Me. During the summer, after June passed, I heard a friend ask her how she accounted for the vision? She replied that "they told her in the language of Canaan, and she did not understand the language; that it was the next September that the Lord was coming, and the second growth of grass instead of the first in June." September passed, and many more have passed since, and we have not seen the Lord yet. It soon became evident to all candid persons, that many things must have been "told her in the language of Canaan," or some other which she did not understand, as there were repeated failures. I could mention many which I knew of myself.

Once, when on their way to the eastern part of Maine, she saw that they would have great trouble with the wicked, be put in prison, etc. This they told in the churches as they passed through. When they came back, they said they had a glorious time. Friends asked if they had seen any trouble with the wicked, or prisons? They replied, "None at all." People in all the churches soon began to get their eyes open, and came out decidedly against her visions; and, just as soon as they did so, she used to see them "with spots on their garments," as she expressed it. I was personally acquainted with several ministers, whom she saw landed in the kingdom with "Oh! such brilliant crowns, FULL of stars." As soon as they took a stand against the visions, she saw them "doomed, damned, and lost for ever, without hope." (An Examination of Mrs. Ellen White's Visions, Miles Grant, Boston: Published by the Advent Christian Publication Society, 1877)

Despite her failures in 1844 and 1845, Mrs. White continued predicting Christ's imminent return. In 1849 her associate Joseph Bates announced that the "time of trouble has began." In the summer of 1849 a local pestilence struck the region. Mrs. White, seeing this as a fulfillment of prophecy indicating the end of the world, predicts this pestilence will soon become widespread:


http://www.inplainsite.org/html/ellen_white_false_prophecy.html

 

[kyredneck]

For our 2 Sabbath breaking 7th Day Adventists on here:

False Prophecies of Ellen G. White

Prediction #1: Jesus will return in June, 1845

Prediction #2: Jesus will return in September, 1845

Prediction #3: Whites to be Thrown in Prison in 1846

Prediction #4: The Great Pestilence that Never Came

Prediction #5: Jesus to come in "months"

Prediction #6: Some at 1856 Conference to see Jesus return

Prediction #7: Earth to be depopulated soon

Prediction #8: Slavery to Revive in the South

Prediction #9: Slave Masters to Suffer Seven Last Plagues

Prediction #10: Sick man to recover

Prediction #11: Rappings will increase

"When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously; thou shalt not be afraid of him." (Deut. 18:22)

An Unbroken String of Failures Predicting Christ's Return....

Yea, tell us about failed predictions, you two should be quite familiar with it.

Have Premillennialist Dispensationalists ever been accurate?
"History is full of failed dispensationalist predictions to set dates for Christ's 2nd Coming...."

"Dispensationalists are notorious for trying to set the date of Christ's return, tying Bible prophecy to current events, tying Bible prophecy to politics involving the state of Israel, and naming the Antichrist. In the 1830s the original Dispensationalists in the Plymouth Brethren and Irvingites were naming Robert Owen (American founder of several anarchist-socialist communes such as New Harmony, Indiana) as the likely Antichrist. William Branham predicted the World Council of Churches and the Catholic Church would merge by 1977 and the rapture would be in 1977. Hal Lindsey thinks the founding of modern Israel in 1948 set off the prophetic clock which Jesus must return within a generation after, predicted Jesus' return by 1988 and wrote The 1980s: Countdown to Armageddon. Mary Stewart Relfe has the same view of Israel as Lindsey, and named Anwar Sadat as the Antichrist. Jack Chick has the same view of Israel, but thinks the Pope is the Antichrist. Pat Robertson (whom some of us think is the Antichrist) seemingly wants to start World War III as soon as possible to speed up Jesus' return. Harold Camping set the date of Christ's return in 1994, and when that didn't happen, started preaching that we have left the "Dispensation of Grace" and nobody can now be saved. All of them think the final sequence of events leading to the rapture and Christ's return will be set off by an invasion of Israel by Russia."

 

[Revmitchell]

Yea, tell us about failed predictions, you two should be quite familiar with it.

Have Premillennialist Dispensationalists ever been accurate?

"Dispensationalists are notorious for trying to set the date of Christ's return, tying Bible prophecy to current events, tying Bible prophecy to politics involving the state of Israel, and naming the Antichrist. In the 1830s the original Dispensationalists in the Plymouth Brethren and Irvingites were naming Robert Owen (American founder of several anarchist-socialist communes such as New Harmony, Indiana) as the likely Antichrist. William Branham predicted the World Council of Churches and the Catholic Church would merge by 1977 and the rapture would be in 1977. Hal Lindsey thinks the founding of modern Israel in 1948 set off the prophetic clock which Jesus must return within a generation after, predicted Jesus' return by 1988 and wrote The 1980s: Countdown to Armageddon. Mary Stewart Relfe has the same view of Israel as Lindsey, and named Anwar Sadat as the Antichrist. Jack Chick has the same view of Israel, but thinks the Pope is the Antichrist. Pat Robertson (whom some of us think is the Antichrist) seemingly wants to start World War III as soon as possible to speed up Jesus' return. Harold Camping set the date of Christ's return in 1994, and when that didn't happen, started preaching that we have left the "Dispensation of Grace" and nobody can now be saved. All of them think the final sequence of events leading to the rapture and Christ's return will be set off by an invasion of Israel by Russia."

You are a real class act.

 

[kyredneck]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[Fred's Wife]

kyredneck...

This thread does not concern the "failed predictions" of premmillenial dispensationalists. The context of this thread is "Ellen G. White False Prophecies". So why are you trying so hard to derail this thread?

If you wish to start "critiquing" premillennial dispensationalism, why don't you do so in another thread?

 

[DrJamesAch]

kyredneck...

This thread does not concern the "failed predictions" of premmillenial dispensationalists. The context of this thread is "Ellen G. White False Prophecies". So why are you trying so hard to derail this thread?

If you wish to start "critiquing" premillennial dispensationalism, why don't you do so in another thread?

He's doing so because one particular administrator lets him get away with doing that to any thread I post, even if it puts him in agreement with a 7th Day Adventist. There are a few main characters that do this to every thread I post, then they go whining to the admin that I'm picking on them to get the thread closed. It's happened to about 20 of my posts now.

Real Christian character I tell you.

 

[DrJamesAch]

He's doing so because one particular administrator lets him get away with doing that to any thread I post, even if it puts him in agreement with a 7th Day Adventist. There are a few main characters that do this to every thread I post, then they go whining to the admin that I'm picking on them to get the thread closed. It's happened to about 20 of my posts now.

Real Christian character I tell you.

I am also convinced that the "His Witness" account belonged to an administrator. I had noticed that the account was banned for about 30 minutes then it was unbanned and posting on a thread I created about the love of God, which turned the entire thread into a debate over the name of Christ, and the HW account did that to quite a few of any thread I was posting on.

 

[kyredneck]

kyredneck...

This thread does not concern the "failed predictions" of premmillenial dispensationalists. The context of this thread is "Ellen G. White False Prophecies". So why are you trying so hard to derail this thread?

If you wish to start "critiquing" premillennial dispensationalism, why don't you do so in another thread?

Oh the bigotry and irony and hypocrisy of it all. You dispensationalists have your own long line of 'failed predictions' and predictors.

 

[DrJamesAch]

Oh the bigotry and irony and hypocrisy of it all. You dispensationalists have your own long line of 'failed predictions' and predictors.

Nobody makes a false prediction BECAUSE they are a dispensationalist. Unless you believe that Jesus is ruling right here and now, then you too are a dispensationalist. You may not be a 7 point, 5 point, or hyper-dispensationalist, but if Jesus is coming back AT ALL, at ANY time in the future, and the economy is changed in any way from what it is now, than that is still an element of dispensationalism.

Dispensationalism is not a theology, it is a method of interpretation based upon the clear separations of the economies in the Bible. But of course, folks like you think that we are living like Adam did before the curse of sin, like Noah did in under the law of human government, like Israel did under the law, like the church does under grace, and under the literal reign of Christ on earth ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

But, appreciate your honesty in supporting those who deny the deity of Christ as well as a plethora of clearly unChristian doctrines.

 

[Revmitchell]

Some fact for those who hold a bit of common sense.

1. I am not what dispensationalists would call a dispensationalist. I do not hold to 7 dispensations

2. Pointing out the false prophecies of EGW is not hypocriticle just because some guys in the past who ere dispies did the same thing. There needs to be more involved

3. No dispy I know supports guys like Camping etc. as an actual prophet of God.

4. Those in the SDA continue to support EGW and her teachings. No one supports guys like Camping etc.

5. Guys like Camping etc. did not start an entire denomination, EGW did.

 

[BobRyan]

Oops... I forgot about Bobryan's "you are quoting yourself" dodge.

FOLLOW THE LINK, Bobryan. The quotes and references for all of the FAILED predictions are right there.

Not at all true. The first 3 are made up - not a single quote from Ellen White claiming that any vision from God selected some date in the future for the 2nd coming.

Your source "makes stuff up" when it is suspected that the crowd might not take the time to "notice" the game they are playing. -- and I think their game actually does work on occasion here on this board.

But not everyone is going to be that uncaring about the actual details.

And the remaining items on that list are just a case of circling the wagons around the idea that some people who oppose Ellen White - also oppose Jeremiah 18.

Nothing new there.

 

[targus]

:sleep:

Bobryan, surely you must be aware that NNE here is buying any of your EGW prophet nonsense. :laugh:

 

[BobRyan]

You are making wild claims with a bogus list -- borrowed from a playbook website without actually looking into the details to see if they hold water.

And so you are stuck with the fact that

1. The first 3 are made up - not a single quote from Ellen White claiming that any vision from God selected some date in the future for the 2nd coming.

Nothing but "making stuff up" out of hearsay at most.

Your source "makes stuff up" when it is suspected that the crowd might not take the time to "notice" the game they are playing. -- and I think their game actually does work on occasion here on this board.

But not everyone is going to be that uncaring about the actual details.

2. And the remaining items (those that actually do have a documented claim by Ellen White regarding her visions or dreams) on that list are just a case of circling the wagons around your wild hope that at least some people who oppose Ellen White - will also oppose Jeremiah 18.

Nothing new there.

 

[Yeshua1]

Some fact for those who hold a bit of common sense.

1. I am not what dispensationalists would call a dispensationalist. I do not hold to 7 dispensations

2. Pointing out the false prophecies of EGW is not hypocriticle just because some guys in the past who ere dispies did the same thing. There needs to be more involved

3. No dispy I know supports guys like Camping etc. as an actual prophet of God.

4. Those in the SDA continue to support EGW and her teachings. No one supports guys like Camping etc.

5. Guys like Camping etc. did not start an entire denomination, EGW did.

Dispy like myself would say that while there have been wild and incorrect speculations on Jesus second coming at times from those of my camp, we NEVER claimed that to be revealtion from God, unlike Mormons/JW/SDA have and still do!

 

[Yeshua1]

You are making wild claims with a bogus list -- borrowed from a playbook website without actually looking into the details to see if they hold water.

And so you are stuck with the fact that

1. The first 3 are made up - not a single quote from Ellen White claiming that any vision from God selected some date in the future for the 2nd coming.

Nothing but "making stuff up" out of hearsay at most.

Your source "makes stuff up" when it is suspected that the crowd might not take the time to "notice" the game they are playing. -- and I think their game actually does work on occasion here on this board.

But not everyone is going to be that uncaring about the actual details.

2. And the remaining items (those that actually do have a documented claim by Ellen White regarding her visions or dreams) on that list are just a case of circling the wagons around your wild hope that at least some people who oppose Ellen White - will also oppose Jeremiah 18.

Nothing new there.

So you would say that Ellen White was ALWAYS 100% accurate in every prediction that she made then?

 

[targus]

So you would say that Ellen White was ALWAYS 100% accurate in every prediction that she made then?

He will say that ...

The predictions that did not come true were either...

Visions that she 'misinterpreted"...

Or "conditional" prophesies where God changed his mind. And we know that they are obviously "conditional" because they did not come true.

It is amazing to me that SDA's can exercise such circular reasoning for so long without seeming to become dizzy. :laugh: