End of Israel?

[Bro. Curtis]

And you'll have to do better to convince me.

Remember, most of us come from families who fled what they felt were the unbiblical teachings of the Anglicans.

 

[Linda64]

Sorry, I'm an Anglican; you'l have to do better than that to convince me. What you say doesn't chime in with the teachings of the early Church

It doesn't matter what the early church taught. What does matter is "What saith the LORD"? What does Scriptures teach--not what the early church taught.

 

[webdog]

Sorry, I'm an Anglican;

Don't apologize, just repent! :laugh:

 

[Aaron]

The dissolution of Israel is the only hope of peace in the Middle East. Really, they have no right there at all.

 

[The Scribe]

The dissolution of Israel is the only hope of peace in the Middle East. Really, they have no right there at all.

Yes, they do. I believe God said so. :thumbs:

 

[Linda64]

The dissolution of Israel is the only hope of peace in the Middle East. Really, they have no right there at all.

The only hope of peace in the Middle East and in the entire world is the return of the Prince of Peace, Jesus Christ. There will be NO true peace until then. The Scriptures prove that Israel will NOT be destroyed. To say that "the dissolution of Israel is the only hope of peace in the Middle East" makes God a liar. Shame on you!

 

[Aaron]

To say that "the dissolution of Israel is the only hope of peace in the Middle East" makes God a liar. Shame on you!

How does that make God a liar?

If a Jew accepts Christ, whose kingdom is NOT of this world, he is saying that his inheritance is also not of this world. That was the significance of the early believers selling all their property and giving the money to the poor.

 

[Linda64]

How does that make God a liar?

Jeremiah 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

Jeremiah 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Jeremiah 31:37 Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Did God give those promises to Israel? God promised not to destroy Israel or His people--and you say that the dissolution of Israel is the only way to have peace in the Middle East. Does God keep His promises and covenants? Better study the Old Testament promises to Israel. If God does not keep His promises and covenants with Israel, why do YOU trust Him?

If a Jew accepts Christ, whose kingdom is NOT of this world, he is saying that his inheritance is also not of this world. That was the significance of the early believers selling all their property and giving the money to the poor.

What do you mean "if" a Jew accepts Christ---shouldn't you say "when" a Jew accepts Christ? When a Jew trusts in the finished work of Christ on the cross, he/she becomes a member of the Body of Christ/the Church (still Jewish by ethnicity)--and Christ did not promise the Church an earthly kingdom. He did, however, promise an earthly Millennial kingdom to Israel (the New Covenant). The two are not interconnected, but two distinct groups. The inheritance of believers is in heaven---not in an earthly kingdom. The Church has not replaced Israel and the Millennial Kingdom belongs to Israel with Messiah Jesus as the King--ruling on earth for 1,000 years in Jerusalem.

 

[The Scribe]

Here's more verses about Israel...

God will make Israel a great Nation.
Genesis 12:3 (KJV)
1: Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

God is the keeper of Israel.
Psalms 121:4 (KJV)
1: I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.
2: My help cometh from the LORD, which made heaven and earth.
3: He will not suffer thy foot to be moved: he that keepeth thee will not slumber.
4: Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.
5: The LORD is thy keeper: the LORD is thy shade upon thy right hand.
6: The sun shall not smite thee by day, nor the moon by night.
7: The LORD shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul.
8: The LORD shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth, and even for evermore.

Israel is the apple of God's eye.
Zechariah 2:8 (KJV)
For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

Anyone that comes against Israel is coming against God Himself.
I wouldn't want to be around those who curse and seek to destroy the Nation that God keeps and that is the apple of His eye.

 

[KenH]

What promise made to Old Testament Israel has not already been fulfilled by God? They received all of the land they were promised. They became as the sand on the seashore in population. The promised Christ was sent.

 

[Linda64]

Here's more verses about Israel...

God will make Israel a great Nation.
Genesis 12:3 (KJV)
1: Now the LORD had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
2: And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
3: And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

God is the keeper of Israel.
Psalms 121:4 (KJV)
1: I will lift up mine eyes unto the hills, from whence cometh my help.
2: My help cometh from the LORD, which made heaven and earth.
3: He will not suffer thy foot to be moved: he that keepeth thee will not slumber.
4: Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep.
5: The LORD is thy keeper: the LORD is thy shade upon thy right hand.
6: The sun shall not smite thee by day, nor the moon by night.
7: The LORD shall preserve thee from all evil: he shall preserve thy soul.
8: The LORD shall preserve thy going out and thy coming in from this time forth, and even for evermore.

Israel is the apple of God's eye.
Zechariah 2:8 (KJV)
For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.

Anyone that comes against Israel is coming against God Himself.
I wouldn't want to be around those who curse and seek to destroy the Nation that God keeps and that is the apple of His eye.

:godisgood: :thumbs:

Israel was chosen by God to be a "light to the Gentiles/nations":

Isaiah 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

Isaiah 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;

Also, God chose Israel to demonstrate His faithfulness to keep His promises and covenants:

Deuteronomy 7:7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

Deuteronomy 7:8 But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt.

Deuteronomy 7:9 Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

Deuteronomy 7:10 And repayeth them that hate him to their face, to destroy them: he will not be slack to him that hateth him, he will repay him to his face.

 

[Aaron]

The two are not interconnected, but two distinct groups. The inheritance of believers is in heaven---not in an earthly kingdom. The Church has not replaced Israel and the Millennial Kingdom belongs to Israel with Messiah Jesus as the King--ruling on earth for 1,000 years in Jerusalem.

Well, that's the real debate, isn't it? That nation of blasphemous unbelievers there in the Middle East is not the Israel of God. They are not the heirs of the Promise. But we've been down this road before. Before you begin to leave the Scriptures and hurl the accusations of racism, I'm bowing out.

 

[The Scribe]

Well, that's the real debate, isn't it? That nation of blasphemous unbelievers there in the Middle East is not the Israel of God. They are not the heirs of the Promise. But we've been down this road before. Before you begin to leave the Scriptures and hurl the accusations of racism, I'm bowing out.

They aren't?

They are the descendants of the Israelites that Moses led through the wilderness. So the are the heris to the promise land the land they are in now. To say they aren't you deny God's people and God Himself.


Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Linda64]

They aren't?

They are the descendants of the Israelites that Moses led through the wilderness. So the are the heris to the promise land the land they are in now. To say they aren't you deny God's people and God Himself.


Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The teaching that the nation of Israel has been forsaken of God because they rejected Christ is called Replacement Theology. Those who teach this doctrine believe that since Israel rejected Christ, all Israel's promises and covenants have now been transferred to the Church and the Church has replaced Israel in God's plan.

Check out this link:

http://www.gotquestions.org/replacement-theology.html

Replacement Theology is very anti-semetic.

BTW, the land which is called Israel is NOT all the land which God promised to this people. You can find exactly what God promised (the physical land) in Genesis 15:18-21.

Genesis 15:18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Genesis 15:19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,

Genesis 15:20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,

Genesis 15:21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

The actual Abrahamic Covenant is found in Genesis 12:1-3. The ceremony recorded in Genesis 15 indicates the unconditional nature of the covenant. The only time that both parties of a covenant would pass between the pieces of animals was when the fulfillment of the covenant was dependent upon both parties keeping commitments. Concerning the significance of God alone moving between the halves of the animals, it is to be noted that it is a smoking furnace and a flaming torch, representing God, not Abraham, which passed between the pieces. Such an act, it would seem should be shared by both parties, but in this case it is doubtless to be explained by the fact that the covenant is principally a promise by God. He is the one who binds Himself. God caused a sleep to fall upon Abraham so that he would not be able to pass between the two halves of the animals. Fulfillment of the covenant fell to God alone.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Abrahamic-covenant.html

 

[KenH]

Replacement Theology is very anti-semitic.

And now the name calling starts.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

And now the name calling starts.

Let the games...I mean NAMES, begin. :laugh:

Sooner or later, someone is going to be called a poopyhead.

 

[just-want-peace]

And now the name calling starts.

For the record, who called who what name?

I see a belief challenged, but not an individual!

Are we getting so uncomfortable by having our beliefs actually questioned that we are putting words into another's mouth (post)?

 

[webdog]

And now the name calling starts.

Maybe...I would have used false doctrine.

 

[billwald]

If God wants to maintain the current nation of Israel let him handle it.

 

[billwald]

With one exception Paul's undisputed letters refer to the bad guys as "the Jews" and the good guys as "Israel." Was Paul anti-semitic?