End of The Spear, homoexual activist stars.

[Filmproducer]

Standingfirm,

Maybe because we want to show the world the miracle of God's saving grace through repentance. Like I said, we have astory to tell. Once again, who are you to question my Christianity, or anyone else's?

Lady Eagle,

Could not the actions of every Tribe be seen as a purposeful marketing ploy? Those opposed to Christianity may be more inclined to see the film because of Allen, maybe not. In any case it can still be a tool for the Lord. Think of how many Christians were touched by this story. Now, is it not possible that the unsaved can be touched by this film also? When it is all said and done, Allen is an actor, it is the story which is important.

[ January 17, 2006, 06:07 PM: Message edited by: Filmproducer ]

 

[LadyEagle]

Originally posted by Johnv:
However, if you impose your conviction upon others, that's self-righteousness, and that action needs to be called out.

Wrong! Here's the definition of someone who is self-righteous:

Self-righteous (Self`-right"eous) (?), a.

Righteous in one's own esteem; pharisaic.

No one here against this movie or the production of this movie and choice of actors is righteous in their own esteem. We are against this based upon God's Word and HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS!

No one is imposing their convictions on you or anyone else who wants to see the film. You will see the film no matter what anyone here says. In fact, you don't even have to participate in this thread - the thread wasn't posted to condemn anyone for seeing the movie - it was a discussion by those of us who refuse to see the movie. Those of you who want to see the movie jumped in here to impose YOUR beliefs on the rest of us.

 

[Filmproducer]

Originally posted by Scott J:
From what I gather from FP and the synopsis... I think that the image presented of a man turning from his family to homosexuality isn't at all positive.

BTW, one reason you might do this is to give us a basis for considering a response or for preventive measures.

We live in a day when all sorts of depravity occurs... even within "fundamentalist" circles. For instance, some people are fans of Jack Hyles... he had a well documented affair with a member's wife and his son was apparently a pervert. Dr Rod Bell was exposed as a closet alcoholic.

There are other more local examples... but the fact is that Satan has set traps that catch even Christians in their personal weakness. Some Christians have a weakness that must be defeated on pride, others sexual lust, others backbiting, ... and others, homosexuality.

Yes, but once again, our film does not paint a rosy picture. Homosexuality is out there, and many times it is "painted" as a freeing experience, when someone comes "out of the closet". Our film shows it for what it really is. People are hurt, families are hurt, families are destroyed. Yes, even Christian families. Even the person "coming out" is not happy. It is a struggle. Sin has consequences. Our film is a dramatic look at some of those consequences, but our film is also about God's love and forgiveness. We made a point to include the salvation message in the film, including repentance. The point is we all are sinners, and we all struggle with one sin or another. It is what we do with our lives that counts. How do we live for and glorify the Lord? Are our lives a testimony to him?

 

[LadyEagle]

Please, let's get back on THIS FILM in the OP, or I will close this thread. If you want to discuss a different film, please start a new thread.

LE
Moderator

 

[LadyEagle]

Romans 8:[6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
Wrong! Here's the definition of someone who is self-righteous:

And that is exactly the attitude of many (but not all) of the posters here who hold to the position of not seeing this film.

No one is imposing their convictions on you or anyone else who wants to see the film.

Do you think that a Christian who sees this film is a liberal religionist, or engaging in/supporting sin? If the answer is yes, then your statement is not true.

You will see the film no matter what anyone here says.

I see films based on feedback from others. The reasons posted for not seeing this films border on being accusatory to persons who choose to see this film.

In fact, you don't even have to participate in this thread - the thread wasn't posted to condemn anyone for seeing the movie - it was a discussion by those of us who refuse to see the movie.

No need for you to be a bully.

Those of you who want to see the movie jumped in here to impose YOUR beliefs on the rest of us.

<personal attack deleted - LE>
Those who want to see the movie are not imposing their beliefs on the rest. In fact, I've made it very clear that if a person chooses not to, I applaud that conviction and support it 100%, and do not think less of a person who adheres to that conviction. I've made it clear that the position I denounce is when that conviction is imposed upon others. If you're not imposing that upon others, then you have nothing to worry about. But judging from the fact that I appear to have struck a nerve, that doesn't appear to be the case.

Sorry to be so blunt in my post. It pains me to have to post it. <personal attack deleted>

[ January 17, 2006, 07:16 PM: Message edited by: LadyEagle ]

 

[Filmproducer]

Lady Eagle,

Could not the actions of every Tribe be seen as a purposeful marketing ploy? Those opposed to Christianity may be more inclined to see the film because of Allen, maybe not. In any case it can still be a tool for the Lord. Think of how many Christians were touched by this story. Now, is it not possible that the unsaved can be touched by this film also? When it is all said and done, Allen is an actor, it is the story which is important.

 

[LadyEagle]

Posted by Johnv:Those who want to see the movie are not imposing their beliefs on the rest.

Your very first post on this thread was this:

posted by Johnv:

I generally do not confuse actors with the roles they play (If that were so, I'd have to refrain from watching The Brady Bunch because the lead actor was homosexual in real life).

This looks like a good movie, and knowing the true story behind it, I will be taking my entire family to see it.

It sure looks to me like you are trying to IMPOSE your beliefs on those who don't condone supporting this movie and creating straw men arguments to boot.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
It sure looks to me like you are trying to IMPOSE your beliefs on those who don't condone supporting this movie and creating straw men arguments to boot.

And where am I saying that all others must concur with my beliefs? No where. I'm saying that it looks like a good movie, and I will therefore see it. No where, not once, in this thread have ai said that it's wrong not to see this movie, or have I remotely implied that deciding not to see this movie is a compromise of one's faith.

Looks like the straw man is yours.

Also, I don't hink it's appropriate for you to edit a post that is directed towards you. I suggest you leave that to another moderator to keep yourself above reproach as a moderator.

 

[LadyEagle]

If there is anymore name calling, stating people are lying, calling other members self-righteous, pharisees, or implying such because of what their position on this film, including innuendoes, etc., and including me, I will close this thread.

If you can't debate the merits or lack of merit on the issues without attacking other members, then this thread will be closed.

Lady Eagle,
Moderator.

PS, for the two of you who don't like the way I moderate this forum, and you know who you are, then I suggest you take the matter up with the webmaster.

 

[Johnv]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
If there is anymore name calling, stating people are lying, calling other members self-righteous, pharisees, or implying such because of what their position on this film, including innuendoes, etc., and including me, I will close this thread.

Does that include those on the other side who imply such thing of those who favor seeing the movie?

If you can't debate the merits or lack of merit on the issues without attacking other members, then this thread will be closed.

Again, I certainly hope that you will permit the same of those who favor seeing the film.

PS, for the two of you who don't like the way I moderate this forum, and you know who you are, then I suggest you take the matter up with the webmaster.

Easy, easy. It was a suggestion delivered in objectivity with a respectful tone. I fail the need for you to respond with hostility.

 

[Enoch]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
Getting back to this thread about THIS movie...


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• Every Tribe Entertainment chose a gay actor to play Nate Saint in the movie.</font>
• Every Tribe Entertainment chose a producer of gay films.</font>
• Every Tribe Entertainment chose a gay activist.</font>
• Every Tribe Entertainment chose a star who has appeared in plays that have degraded Christ and Christianity.</font>
• Every Tribe Entertainment chose an actor who has argued publicly (with an evangelical pastor) for the rights to same-sex marriage and gay adoption.</font>

Well this sums it up for me. I will not see this and will encourage others to do the same.

I am so sick of the homosexual activists pushing their perversion and quest to dominate the film industry and our society as if their perversion were normal and welcomed.

 

[Johnv]

However, Enoch, if this film, in and of itself, does not proport a homosexual agenda, then is it worthy of being viewed, based on content alone?

I don't disagree that the actor wasn't the best choice as far as the actor, but if the portrayal itself is accurate, then I see it as permissible.

I myself will see it because so far, I have heard that it is a good film to see. Its lead actor will not adversely affect my faith or the faith of my household whatsoever. Others are free to decide for themselves likewise.

 

[Rachel]

Interesting thread. Looks like it will be a good movie.

Originally posted by standingfirminChrist:
Times have changed so drastically. Evil is portrayed as good, and good evil. Keep looking up true Christians... your redemption draweth nigh.

It would also be nice if SFC would quit saying things like the true Christians. It looks like he is implying that the people who will see the movie are NOT Christians. I've seen that alot in his posts, if someone doesn't agree with him. That's pretty offensive.

 

[JamieinNH]

Originally posted by Rachel:
Looks like it will be a good movie.

I agree!

Jamie

 

[Bunyon]

I agree with you Johnv. Although I have heard some reports that the Gospel is "dumbed down" in the movie, I expect the movie to be good and I expect the actor to do a good acting job.

My concern is that, in toady's world, movies often become "bullie pullpits" for the stars who star in them. Hopefully, the company will pay him and thank him and tell him his services are not needed for the typical talks show rounds and stuff. We will see.

I just don't see any wisdom in the choice, at all. If he keeps the two issues separate, perhaps it will turn OK. But I just don't get it.

 

[LadyEagle]

If a Christian makes a biography about Christians serving and martyred for the kingdom of God and then casts someone who leads an anti-God lifestyle as the lead actor, then peddles it to the Body of Christ and the world as advancing the kingdom of God, whose kingdom are they advancing?

 

[Bunyon]

If a Christian makes a biography about Christians serving and martyred for the kingdom of God and then casts someone who leads an anti-God lifestyle as the lead actor, then peddles it to the Body of Christ and the world as advancing the kingdom of God, whose kingdom are they advancing?
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Good question. Let's look at it another way. How do you think the martyred missionary Mr. Saint would feel if he knew a public homosexual advocate who had played a promiscuous gay Jesus was now playing him. I think he would be shocked to tears. What do you think?

 

[LadyEagle]

Agreed, Bunyon. And probably broken hearted, too.

I've read from those who have seen it that the Gospel presentation is nearly non-existent. If that's true, then what is the purpose of the film? To reach people for Jesus Christ? Or to make money at any expense? How easy those who profess to be Christians sell out for the gold of this earth.

I will contine to pray against this movie. Maybe it will start to come out the nostrils of some people.

Like quail.

 

[hsmom3]

Al Mohler and Chad Allen to appear tonight on Larry King Live.
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