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Iconoclast

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And yet:
1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

We are elect according to God's "fore-knowledge," the knowledge that he has afore-time about us, that is, His omniscience--that we will choose to trust and obey Him. On that basis He "elects" or chooses us to accomplish his purposes. Election is always directed toward service.

A wrong view of the biblical term foreknowledge....
accompanied by all the other denials such as....
The new Covenant and ezk 36 has nothing to do with Christians...

The Spirit does not give a new heart ,,,a heart transplant to Christians

Eph 1 has nothing to do with predestination unto salvation

The carnal Christian heresy

psalm 14 does not apply other than to "Babylonians"

Dead sinners are not really dead to Spiritual truths

you came to Christ by yourself

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DHK

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A wrong view of the biblical term foreknowledge....
No.
to have previous knowledge of : know beforehand
By Merriam-Webster.
It is the Calvinist that takes such self-explanatory words and put a new twist on them or redefine them. They have to, in order to force the square theological box of Calvinism into the circle of life. It won't fit. It won't turn.
accompanied by all the other denials such as....
The new Covenant and ezk 36 has nothing to do with Christians...
Ezekiel lived 600 years before Christ. So, no--his writings had nothing to do with Christianity. They didn't live back then. He was addressing the nation of Israel, not believers in Christ.

The Spirit does not give a new heart ,,,a heart transplant to Christians

Eph 1 has nothing to do with predestination unto salvation

The carnal Christian heresy

psalm 14 does not apply other than to "Babylonians"

Dead sinners are not really dead to Spiritual truths

you came to Christ by yourself

:(:confused::(:confused:[/QUOTE]

I can see why you are confused. You just lift statements from various discussions out of context but not really wanting to discuss or debate anyone of them. No wonder confusion reigns supreme in your mind. You are not open to the truth.
 

OldRegular

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Don't stop in the middle of a verse: that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

What does "adoption" mean and what are the benefits of one who is adopted?

That sentence doesn't stop there. It continues:
Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
--That gives us both the benefit of being accepted and the basis of being accepted. The only reason for being accepted is that one has put faith in this sacrifice--redemption through his blood; otherwise it would not apply to him.
It is a gift to be received by faith. On that basis we are "accepted."

You really answered nothing.

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savedbymercy

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And yet:
1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

We are elect according to God's "fore-knowledge," the knowledge that he has afore-time about us, that is, His omniscience--that we will choose to trust and obey Him. On that basis He "elects" or chooses us to accomplish his purposes. Election is always directed toward service.

False comment. God's choosing / election is made before we are born and done any good or evil Rom 9:11

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

So your testimony is again false and against scripture truth !
 

DHK

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False comment. God's choosing / election is made before we are born and done any good or evil Rom 9:11

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

So your testimony is again false and against scripture truth !

Romans 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

My testimony? Are you the elder or the younger? Esau or Jacob?
Spiritual or carnal? What makes you think these verses are even applicable to the comments I have made? We are speaking about Ephesians chapter one, or do you remember that?
 

The Archangel

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Ezekiel lived 600 years before Christ. So, no--his writings had nothing to do with Christianity. They didn't live back then. He was addressing the nation of Israel, not believers in Christ.

So then, the whole "he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel” of Genesis 3 is not applicable to Christians either, I guess. This can't be the proto-Gospel since is wasn't specifically written to Christians...

The Archangel
 

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So then, the whole "he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel” of Genesis 3 is not applicable to Christians either, I guess. This can't be the proto-Gospel since is wasn't specifically written to Christians...

The Archangel

I think you quoted Iconoclast's criticism of DHK, not DHK's own words.
 

Iconoclast

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Reformed

I wrote that short list from memory.....not the quote feature.
Dhk has posted each idea.......Ezk36 not for Christians
The new covenant for Israel not Christians......some of these might have been in the Divine enablement thread. .....i will look it up.

From DHK-
Can you do the same? Where and when did you receive God's gift of salvation?
Or is still some mysterious mystic metaphysical inexplicable imaginary "work of the Spirit" that the Bible does not speak of.

When your description of salvation matches up more with the RCC than with the Bible it is more of a fairy tale than Biblical salvation.

Jesus explained to Nicodemus that the Spirit works in the unseen realm.....effectually.

You hang on to that verse as if it has some mystic meaning. It doesn't.


I answered DHK in that thread with this from EZK36
Here are some more Divine means that God uses to enable a sinner to to what he cannot by himself-

God has promised to give a new heart-

25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols,
will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you,
and a new spirit will I put within you:
and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh,
and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you,
and cause you to walk in my statutes,
and ye shall keep my judgments,
and do them.

Notice DHK.... God does it all......here in case you missed it-
God does a Divine heart transplant. Unlike your "testimony" [where you did everything}
1]Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you

2]from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

3]A new heart also will I give you,

4]and a new spirit will I put within you

5]and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh,

6]and I will give you an heart of flesh

7]And I will put my spirit within you

8]and cause you to walk in my statutes

No fairytale here DHK.....No this is the unseen work of the Spirit that you speak of as magical , mystical , yoga meditation and whatever other "tongue in cheek" mocking you offered instead.

end of pt 1---

You have Divine open heart transplant in the unseen realm.
You have the law of God written upon the heart
You have the testimony of the heavens declaring God's glory
You have the testimony of a God given conscience
You have the word of God inscripturated
You have the word preached and taught .
You have the fellowship of other believers
You have God given teachers given as gifts to the church


HERE WAS HIS RESPONSE;

You are right. There is no fairy tale in the new birth, in God's regeneration of the unregenerate. I never said there was. What I described (or my quote that you posted in the OP) is a fairy tale description of what many Calvinists seem to believe. That is the reason that they can't give a clear-cut testimony of their salvation--the unseen, mysterious, mystical, magical work of the Spirit.
It is so mystical you can't even describe what he does properly. It is all a mystery to you. You need to speak in such allegorical terms that you can't explain what you are saying.

Then when I questioned him here is his extended response;
DHK WROTE;
You keep quoting this passage (without knowledge), thinking it speaks of the regeneration of the believer. Have you ever really studied it. What is it really talking about? What was God revealing to Ezekiel. First chapter 35 was a judgment against Israel's enemies.
Now in chapter 36 God draws his attention to Israel herself.
Ezekiel 36:22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.
--This is clearly addressed to Israel, and it so for the sake of the holy name of Jehovah.

Ezekiel 36:24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.
--The fulfillment of this prophecy is happening even now. Never before have so many Israelites from all over the world been returning to their own land then right now in the generation we live in.
--It is simply a sign that the coming of the Lord is soon.

Ezekiel 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
--The "you" is Israel. It has nothing to do with Gentiles.
God will first restore the nation physically (verse 24). Then He will do as He promised right here.
In the OT sprinkling or washing with water pictured cleansing from ceremonial defilement. Israel's sin was like pollution or defilement. Now God would cleanse her. This cleansing is compared to a ceremonial act of purification, a comparison that the Jews of that day could relate to and understand.

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
--The cleansing would be followed by a new life. God will give them a new life. As a nation they will be converted. (Rom.11:26; Rev.1:7)

He will give Israel a heart of flesh, and they will be motivated to serve him. The same truth is corroborated here:
Eze 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:
--He is speaking to Israel, not the Gentiles. This is prophetic.

This is also explained in Jeremiah 31:31-33. This is the "work of God" in Israel, yet to come. It has not yet been fulfilled.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
--With God's Spirit, they will be motivated to do His work.

Ezekiel 36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
--This is the context you should be concerned with.
Icon lives in New York; OR lives in South Carolina. Those places are not "the land I gave to your fathers," that is, the land of Israel. This does not apply to you, as does any of the previous verses.
They apply to the nation of Israel, and they haven't been fulfilled yet.
They are not even speaking about NT regeneration of the Gentile believer
.

No, you don't know what you are talking about. ("in case you missed it")
 
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Iconoclast

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Here He says Christians have not come to the Heavenly Jerusalem and Zion;

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DHK;--. are you sure DHK?[/quote said:
I am absolutely 100% sure. God does not lie. He said he was speaking to Israel. Who is right God or you?
Eze 36:22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.



So...God was addressing the "nation" of Israel..... look what Jesus said here;

43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof

that does look like the gentiles

Jesus wasn't referring to Ezekiel 36. You do err not knowing the scriptures.
But God was addressing Israel, and that part never changed.



and then it was taken from them and given to the Israel of God

The new covenant is happening now.The church is the focus now.

No it isn't. God is not dealing with the Israelites now. Those promises in Ezekiel 36 are still future.Quote:
Yes I am in the Covenant by God's grace.

Not in this covenant:
Ezekiel 36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
--This is the context you should be concerned with.
--The last time I looked you are in the nation directly south of me, not in Israel.
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Hey DHK...we have a new address;

22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
This was written to suffering Hebrew believers. He was comparing the OT Jerusalem to the the NT Jerusalem which has not come yet. You haven't reached there yet either. But the OT saints have. Quote:
Dead wrong again my dispy friend,lol

I am not wrong. I believe God, not the Calvinist allegory.
God has said very plainly that this land is the land of Israel, the land of Jews.

Ezekiel 36:28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God
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OldRegular

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So then, the whole "he shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel” of Genesis 3 is not applicable to Christians either, I guess. This can't be the proto-Gospel since is wasn't specifically written to Christians...

The Archangel

The Apostle Paul wrote: Romans 15:4. For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

The Bible is the story of the Grace of God in the Redemption of His people. To me Genesis 3:15 is the initial revelation in time of the Covenant of Grace. Certainly it is the initial promise of the Redeemer, Jesus Christ! Therefore, I believe all Scripture beginning with Genesis 1:1 was written for the benefit of the people of God. Obviously there are certain ordinances and offerings practiced in the Old Testament that are no longer applicable to Christians but that does not mean we cannot learn from them.

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The Archangel

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The Apostle Paul wrote: Romans 15:4. For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

The Bible is the story of the Grace of God in the Redemption of His people. To me Genesis 3:15 is the initial revelation in time of the Covenant of Grace. Certainly it is the initial promise of the Redeemer, Jesus Christ! Therefore, I believe all Scripture beginning with Genesis 1:1 was written for the benefit of the people of God. Obviously there are certain ordinances and offerings practiced in the Old Testament that are no longer applicable to Christians but that does not mean we cannot learn from them.

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Oh, I agree completely.

Perhaps it didn't come across in the post responding to DHK, but I was being very sarcastic.

Blessings,

The Archangel
 

Iconoclast

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The Apostle Paul wrote: Romans 15:4. For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

The Bible is the story of the Grace of God in the Redemption of His people. To me Genesis 3:15 is the initial revelation in time of the Covenant of Grace. Certainly it is the initial promise of the Redeemer, Jesus Christ! Therefore, I believe all Scripture beginning with Genesis 1:1 was written for the benefit of the people of God. Obviously there are certain ordinances and offerings practiced in the Old Testament that are no longer applicable to Christians but that does not mean we cannot learn from them.

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Great verse......romans 15...Paul continues;


Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:

9 And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.
10 And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.

11 And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.

12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.
13 Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.

14 And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another.

15 Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God,

16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.


It is these portions of scripture that began my process of leaving the false dispensational paradigm and coming into a more biblically consistent model which is still a work in progress.

I visited a church and in conversation with me he denied that as Christians we are in the new Covenant...he replied as DHK has...and I was stunned when I heard it. I had to go back and look carefully at what they were saying and then studying through Hebrews for a few years I could no longer think of myself in those terms:thumbs:
 

DHK

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Here He says Christians have not come to the Heavenly Jerusalem and Zion;
You really don't see the truth of this passage do you? It is clouded by the allegorism of Calvinistic interpretation, the indoctrination of an over-zealous Covenantal theology so much so that you can't see the forest for the trees.

Consider:
Heb 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake)
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Remember the over-all context. The author is addressing Hebrews who were discouraged through persecution, some of whom were wanting to return to the old system of Temple worship. Paul sets before them these two systems: the Old and the New. They are constantly contrasted throughout the entire book.
The key words are "better than" or "Let us..." as in "let us go on"

Here is the contrast between the law, the nation being delivered from Egypt and coming to Mount Sinai where they are made a theocracy and given the Law of Moses. It was fearful to come right before that very mount before the presence of God. Only Moses could go into the mount itself. The entire scene was terrifying. Moses himself trembled. (Vs. 21: "I exceedingly fear and quake."

By contrast: vs 22 "BUT"
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
--They have not come to such a forbidding and terrifying place, but rather a place where there is grace and mercy. Every believer can enter this place by faith. We can approach the living God by faith: in confession, praise, prayer.
Then the High Priest entered in once a year.
We can enter in at any time.
The law had it its Mount Sinai
Mont Zion is a heavenly mountain that symbolizes all the blessings that we receive by faith. They are ours because of the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.

The Law had its earthly Jerusalem, but faith has its heavenly capital above.
It is the city of the living God.
We are strangers and pilgrims on this earth. (Phil.3:20). Someday we will enter into that city but not now. We only see it by faith. It is a real city.
Today we are members of the bride of Christ, the family of God, all who have died since Pentecost. Those who have died are in the presence of Christ awaiting the resurrection. We also await the resurrection, the redemption of our bodies.
By faith we see God the Judge of all. Someday we will meet him. We will stand before him.

Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
--But this place we look to in faith. We have not attained there yet. Someday we will. Not now. We look in faith. We have not attained.
We do not stand before the Judge.
We are not with "the spirits of just men made 'complete'"
We are not there yet.
 

Iconoclast

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DHK
You really don't see the truth of this passage do you?

I do see it very clearly.....One of us does not see it clearly yet.:laugh:
Let's see who that person is~!

It is clouded by the allegorism of Calvinistic interpretation, the indoctrination of an over-zealous Covenantal theology so much so that you can't see the forest for the trees.

Or...lost in the dense fog of mixed up dispensational fragmenting of revealed truth...let's see!

Consider:
Heb 12:21 And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake)
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

ok...good section of scripture

Remember the over-all context. The author is addressing Hebrews who were discouraged through persecution, some of whom were wanting to return to the old system of Temple worship. Paul sets before them these two systems: the Old and the New. They are constantly contrasted throughout the entire book.
The key words are "better than" or "Let us..." as in "let us go on"

ok..we can agree for the most part on this...I would say he is showing the superiority of Jesus Christ in all things
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Here is the contrast between the law,

The law itself is not the contrast.....that which is outward and physical and in type is being contrasted with that which is inward, spiritual and fulfilled In Jesus the superior High Priest.....
The first exodus[Moses]....the new Exodus{Jesus}

the nation being delivered from Egypt and coming to Mount Sinai where they are made a theocracy and given the Law of Moses. It was fearful to come right before that very mount before the presence of God. Only Moses could go into the mount itself. The entire scene was terrifying. Moses himself trembled. (Vs. 21: "I exceedingly fear and quake."

Outward, physical, law external on stone......until the Nt time of reformation


8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;

10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

By contrast: vs 22 "BUT"
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
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Lol....he gives a location:laugh: You accuse me of allegory...and here he tells them where they have come to...Heavenly Zion and jerusalem



Every believer can enter this place by faith. We can approach the living God by faith: in confession, praise, prayer
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Here you say every believer.....not just Hebrew Christians...lol...you yourself say...every believer can enter


Mont Zion is a heavenly mountain that symbolizes


I see...lol...When you speak of Mount Zion it is symbolic and represents something???? yet you accuse me of being allegorical????

all the blessings that we receive by faith. They are ours because of the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.

How about this instead DHK? The earthly Jerusalem and Zion were only the type and shadow of.....THE HEAVENLY REALITY..... of which all Christians are a part of RIGHT NOW.....

The Law had its earthly Jerusalem, but faith has its heavenly capital above.
It is the city of the living God.

This misses it completely..... There was both law and grace in earthly physical Jerusalem and Zion.....the is law and grace in the Spiritual and heavenly Zion and Jerusalem above....right now for all Christians...jew of gentile.

We are strangers and pilgrims on this earth. (Phil.3:20).

We are strangers and pilgrims on earth ..now because we have a heavenly Citizenship...right Now...In Christ!

Philipians 3:20 does not say we are strangers and pilgrims...it says we ARE CITIZENS IN HEAVEN NOW.
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ

Someday we will enter into that city but not now.
Wrong......we have entered if we are In Christ by saving Union with Him.
We only see it by faith. It is a real city.

We who believe are perfect in Heaven right now...In Christ...while we are strangers and pilgrims here on earth....you have badly mangled these two ideas and not understood either one.

Today we are members of the bride of Christ, the family of God, all who have died since Pentecost. Those who have died are in the presence of Christ awaiting the resurrection. We also await the resurrection, the redemption of our bodies.

Yes....one New man IN Christ.


By faith we see God the Judge of all. Someday we will meet him. We will stand before him.

Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
--But this place we look to in faith. We have not attained there yet. Someday we will. Not now. We look in faith. We have not attained.

The writer does not agree with you...he does not say...some day you will attain...he clearly says.. YOU HAVE COME TO MT.ZION THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM



We do not stand before the Judge.
We are not with "the spirits of just men made 'complete'"
We are not there yet.

I am;

22 But, ye came to Mount Zion, and to a city of the living God, to the heavenly Jerusalem, and to myriads of messengers,
23 to the company and assembly of the first-born in heaven enrolled, and to God the judge of all, and to spirits of righteous men made perfect,

24 and to a mediator of a new covenant -- Jesus, and to blood of sprinkling, speaking better things than that of Abel!

25 See, may ye not refuse him who is speaking, for if those did not escape who refused him who upon earth was divinely speaking -- much less we who do turn away from him who [speaketh] from heaven,

26 whose voice the earth shook then, and now hath he promised, saying, `Yet once -- I shake not only the earth, but also the heaven;'

27 and this -- `Yet once' -- doth make evident the removal of the things shaken, as of things having been made, that the things not shaken may remain;

28 wherefore, a kingdom that cannot be shaken receiving, may we have grace, through which we may serve God well-pleasingly, with reverence and religious fear;

29 for also our God [is] a consuming fire.
 

OldRegular

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Oh, I agree completely.

Perhaps it didn't come across in the post responding to DHK, but I was being very sarcastic.

Blessings,

The Archangel

I understood what you were saying and assumed we had essentially the same view of Scripture!

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OldRegular

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Icon,

I don't see how one can study the Bible and be a dispensationalist. In particular I don't understand how one could study the book of Hebrews and be a dispensationalist. But if one does not believe that we are included in the New Covenant, as Hebrews clearly teaches, I guess anything is possible.

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Iconoclast

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Icon,

I don't see how one can study the Bible and be a dispensationalist. In particular I don't understand how one could study the book of Hebrews and be a dispensationalist. But if one does not believe that we are included in the New Covenant, as Hebrews clearly teaches, I guess anything is possible.

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The first time I studied Hebrews it took about 2 years....It took so long because I was scrambling to find if any of my dispensational books could answer the challenges that came from Hebrews....the verses that were quoted and looking up all these things. I was trying to resist these ideas but they held fast....and still do:thumbsup::thumbsup:

When I looked at commentary from other men who were not held in dispensational confusion it helped open up the whole OT root promises.
DHK thinks this is to allegorize....but it is only rightly dividing the truth indeed.
 
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