EPH1:1-14....what is says/ what it does not say!

Oh please you haven't a clue of what time and space is. God know the beginning to the end because He is eternal and was there. Lets not get into what neither of us know.

Are you suggesting that I'm not saved?

Jesus said Judas was a devil not a demon

Joh 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Even in the your quotation of my words it does not say "Jer. 3" but Jeremiah "31:33-34. You have the wrong text and that is why you can't find it in Hebrews because it is Jeremiah 31:32-34 that is quoted in hebrews. So, it is not I, but you who are confused because you misread my words.[/QUOTE]

No I didn't I never changed your text at all
MB

 

The language specifically says "before the foundation of the world" meaning prior to OUR existence in time and space. We are not eternal only God is. God's purpose existed prior to our existence - do you understand what I am saying now? Your response reveals you did not understand.

I am suggesting that I have no idea if you are or not just as you have no idea that I am or not.

A demon is a devil or fallen angel and Satan is a fallen angel.

so you believe devils are saved? So you believe the "son of perdition" is a child of God?

You obviously misread it then because it still says Jeremiah 31:33-34 and that is found quoted in Hebrews 8 and 10. You can't accuse me for your own misreading as never wrote "Jer. 3" but you did.

 

God is not confined to time but we are. Hence, God's purpose existed prior to our existence. Paul is clearly saying God "chose us in him BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD" - that is, prior to our existence. We don't have to exist prior to the foundation of the world for God to purpose to choose us in him before we come into existence. That choice was "unto salvation" which occurs in time and space during our existence "through sanctification of the Spirit" (setting apart by the Spirit) and belief of the truth (gospel conversion).

God knows the beginning from the end (within the framework of time) because he "works all things...according to His purpose" (Rom.8:28) which foreknowledge is the consequence, not the cause of His purpose.

 

Keep studying Icon, I beleive it important for you to know what your doctrine logically tries to accomplish against the true purpose of Christ our Mediator (I would like to "keep you" from great error in your teachings.) as bolded above which in truth said mediation applies toward giving genuine hope to ALL men:

"First, God as a purposeful agent would have intended the cross to be the means by which all people may be forgiven of sins, adopted as sons, and reconciled to Him. This intention is clear for He desires that none would perish but all would repent and be saved (Ezek 18:32; 33:11; John 1:29; 1 Tim 2:4; Titus 2:11; 2 Peter 3:9).

Eze 18:32

(32) For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

Eze 33:11

(11) Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Joh 1:29

(29) The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1Ti 2:4

(4) Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

Tit 2:11

(11) For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

2Pe 3:9

(9) The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


Second, God’s purpose in sending Jesus was to save sinners, not only the unconditionally elect. Because Jesus dealt with the sins of the world (John 1:29; 1 John 4:14) He made salvation possible for all (1 John 2:1-2; 2 Cor 5:19) through faith (John 3:16; Eph 2:8) just as He intended.

Joh 1:29

(29) The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

1Jn 4:14

(14) And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.

1Jn 2:1-2

(1) My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

(2) And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2Co 5:19

(19) To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Joh 3:16

(16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Eph 2:8

(8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:


Third, by making salvation possible to all sinners through faith, God can sincerely provide good news for all the people (Luke 2:10). If the atonement is limited and Jesus only obtained salvation for some then the gospel is not good news for most. There is no hope for anyone whose debts were not cancelled on the cross (Col 2:14). They remain as strangers and aliens, excluded from the promises of God (Eph 2:12, 19).

Luk 2:10

(10) And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.


Col 2:14

(14) Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

Eph 2:12

(12) That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

Eph 2:19

(19) Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

Fourth, God being all-wise and all-powerful would successfully accomplish His plan just as He intended even if many, whom Christ did die for, do not have the benefits of the cross applied. When people resist the Spirit (Acts 7:51), it is not God that is lacking in wisdom or power. Nor is He the one that fails to accomplish to save sinners through the cross. The failure is on the person because they chose to remain in unbelief and thus not meet the condition of faith (John 3:36).

Act 7:51

(51) Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.

Joh 3:36

(36) He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.


Fifth, God does effectually and actually saves (ie applies all spiritual blessings) every person that is found in Christ, having been placed in Him through faith (John 1:12; 2 Cor 5:21; Gal 3:26; Eph 1:3-14; Rom 6:23; 8:1)

Joh 1:12

(12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

2Co 5:21

(21) For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Gal 3:26

(26) For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.


Eph 1:3-14

(3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

(4) According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

(5) Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

(6) To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

(7) In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

(8) Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

(9) Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

(10) That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

(11) In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

(12) That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

(13) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

(14) Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.


Rom 6:23

(23) For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Rom 8:1

(1) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."