Epidemiologist Warns of Lockdown Consequences

[InTheLight]

We're looking at .1 to 1% max. Many flu have been much more deadly than this. You also minimize the flu.

The typical number of deaths from flu in the U.S., OVER 12 MONTHS, is about 25,000 - 30,000 people. We are at 31,500 deaths in the six weeks since COVID-19 hit our shores.

The 2017-2018 flu was one of the worst in recent history. The number of deaths from that was 61,000. We are more than halfway toward that annual total in only six weeks.

 

[Calminian]

The typical number of deaths from flu in the U.S., OVER 12 MONTHS, is about 25,000 - 30,000 people. We are at 31,500 deaths in the six weeks since COVID-19 hit our shores.

The 2017-2018 flu was one of the worst in recent history. The number of deaths from that was 61,000. We are more than halfway toward that annual total in only six weeks.

I mean, that says to me this flu is serious, but not as serous as others in the past. Spanish flu?

 

[Benjamin]

Ignorance about what?

Duh...

3000 a day in the US? When will this happen?

And there you have it. It's official. You'll believe anything.

Most educated people know we do not have the current denominator. But you are totally nuts if you think this death rate is 4-6%. No one believes this anymore.

No one whose talking points you echo.Use your own head and do your own math:
Coronavirus Update (Live): 2,177,469 Cases and 145,304 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
https://percentagecalculator.net/

...nah, you'll just attempt to deny the numbers with conspiracy theories like your buddy Aaron. Anything to keep your head in the sand and scream along with Tucker's hyper political rants that the economical sky is falling and the Progressives are going to take our freedom, permanently. - I'd be on the front line against that if ever became an issue, but that narrative is hyper political fantasy backed by paranoid hyperbole by those like Tucker looking to build an audience through hysteria and you've bought into this narrative hook. line and sinker...

...even the Whitmer...

You seriously need to stop watching Tucker for a while, get past this hyper political partisanship controlling your every thought and come to your senses...This is not about politics in the least to me, it is about the numbers, common sense and protecting as many lives as possible.

 

[InTheLight]

I mean, that says to me this flu is serious, but not as serous as others in the past. Spanish flu?

It's probably not as serious as the Spanish flu, but it looks like it will be the 2nd most serious flu we've ever had. The potential for it surpassing the Spanish flu was there, but by isolating the population I believe we really knocked this thing down. I shudder to think if COVID-19 were to have been let loose in a 1918 United States with a population of 320 million people.

 

[Calminian]

Duh...




No one whose talking points you echo.Use your own head and do your own math:
Coronavirus Update (Live): 2,177,469 Cases and 145,304 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer
https://percentagecalculator.net/

...nah, you'll just attempt to deny the numbers with conspiracy theories like your buddy Aaron. Anything to keep your head in the sand and scream along with Tucker's hyper political rants that the economical sky is falling and the Progressives are going to take our freedom, permanently. - I'd be on the front line against that if ever became an issue, but that narrative is hyper political fantasy backed by paranoid hyperbole by those like Tucker looking to build an audience through hysteria and you've bought into this narrative hook. line and sinker...



You seriously need to stop watching Tucker for a while, get past this hyper political partisanship controlling your every thought and come to your senses...This is not about politics in the least to me, it is about the numbers, common sense and protecting as many lives as possible.

I think you need to start watching him and leave the CNN MSNBC alone. They are bad for you factually and spiritually. Tucker was talking about 3.4% early on, but no one believes this anymore.

Do you understand what a denominator is? Do you realize that generally only those with symptoms are allowed to be tested at this point? This will change (and might be in the process). But a 6% kill rate is utterly absurd.

 

[InTheLight]

I think you need to start watching him and leave the CNN MSNBC alone. They are bad for you factually and spiritually. Tucker was talking about 3.4% early on, but no one believes this anymore.

Do you understand what a denominator is? Do you realize that generally only those with symptoms are allowed to be tested at this point? This will change (and might be in the process). But a 6% kill rate is utterly absurd.

It doesn't matter what the death rate is unless you are stuck on insisting COVID-19 is "just another flu". The only way, the ONLY way that argument can be made is by saying there haven't been enough tests yet to accurately determine a death rate. Sure, I'll give you that. We don't have a definitive death rate.

But, the number of deaths per day is far, far outstripping any other flu we've seen since the Spanish flu. The death rate really doesn't matter. There are 31,500 people dead in six weeks. Doesn't matter what the rate is. Doesn't matter what the testing rate is. Now, the counterargument to the number of deaths is "but...but...they are categorizing just about any death as from COVID-19." That is false. And even if the numbers were padded, and I allow that they might be, the sheer number of deaths we will have one month from now will remove any question about the seriousness of this "flu".

 

[Calminian]

It's probably not as serious as the Spanish flu, but it looks like it will be the 2nd most serious flu we've ever had. The potential for it surpassing the Spanish flu was there, but by isolating the population I believe we really knocked this thing down. I shudder to think if COVID-19 were to have been let loose in a 1918 United States with a population of 320 million people.

A lot of speculation there. I'd like to this Trump squashed this thing that effectively and that all the predictions were true. I have a feeling the truth is somewhere in the middle.

But if what you are saying is true, we have the greatest President of all time.

In fairness, however, surely you believe that air travel, which wasn't around during the Spanish Flu, complicated things immensely.

 

[Calminian]

It doesn't matter what the death rate is....

In a sense, yes. But citing a false 6% death rate surely isn't the right thing to do.

 

[KenH]

here are 31,500 people dead in six weeks.

Over half in New York/New Jersey. There are the metropolitan areas and then are the rest of us. It is nowhere near the same everywhere. My county of 39,000 people has only 13 active cases. Been stuck there for several days. There’s been 19 total and 6 have been cleared of symptoms.

 

[Calminian]

President was unusually pleasant today. Looks like some states will be reopening soon. Fantastic news.

 

[Benjamin]

It's probably not as serious as the Spanish flu, but it looks like it will be the 2nd most serious flu we've ever had. The potential for it surpassing the Spanish flu was there, but by isolating the population I believe we really knocked this thing down. I shudder to think if COVID-19 were to have been let loose in a 1918 United States with a population of 320 million people.

I dread the thought of India moving up and taking the lead due to density and economics. But there is some time and I pray we have something to help them out. Its just that currently I can't see them not becoming the country with the most cases and deaths and a completely collapsing heath system and economics, in this case I fear their death rate may get into the millions and compare to seriousness of the Spanish flu.

 

[Benjamin]

In a sense, yes. But citing a false 6% death rate surely isn't the right thing to do.

Use your own head and do your own math:
Coronavirus Update (Live): 2,177,469 Cases and 145,304 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer

https://percentagecalculator.net/

 

[Calminian]

Sooo, how do you talk to a guy that doesn't know what a denominator is?

 

[InTheLight]

Sooo, how do you talk to a guy that doesn't know what a denominator is?

I'm sure Benjamin knows what a denominator is. You are objecting to his using a particular number as the denominator.

Again, the death rate as a percentage of population doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's the number of deaths per day, or per week, or Lord forbid, per hour. The velocity of transmission. That's what's so different and dangerous about this virus. That's why social distancing and stay at home orders are working.

 

[Calminian]

I'm sure Benjamin knows what a denominator is. You are objecting to his using a particular number as the denominator.

Again, the death rate as a percentage of population doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's the number of deaths per day, or per week, or Lord forbid, per hour. The velocity of transmission. That's what's so different and dangerous about this virus. That's why social distancing and stay at home orders are working.

No one argues this. No one is even arguing that it matters (though in general the truth matters). I judge the seriousness of this by the number of deaths.

I'm merely saying that the death rate is not 6%. That is a total lie, and lies never help matters. No experts is saying this, and they all admit we don't know the true denominator, but that the death rate likely a fraction of this, similar to the flu.

Lies like this lead to crazy ideas like this.


THE END OF NEW YORK: Mayor deBlasio Says New York City Will Not Reopen Until July or August AT THE EARLIEST!

 

[Calminian]

Must watch segment on Laura Ingraham interviewing Dr. Phil. He nailed it.

 

[Scott Downey]

U.N. warns coronavirus lockdowns could kill hundreds of thousands of children

UN says hundreds of thousands of children could die and tens of millions to fall into extreme poverty due to economic lockdowns. I think that number going into poverty is probably hundreds of millions. Economic lockdowns have deadly consequences

 

[Scott Downey]

How Is Agenda 21 Being Implemented Worldwide? - Mass Awakening

Have you read about the Agenda 21 guidelines to depopulate this world? It has apparently failed. Although the virus is likely looked on favorably by them, too many white hats have thwarted the plan.

 

[Scott Downey]

We need to restart our economies as the benefits to people worldwide far exceeds the costs to a few mostly old people who are already morbidly diseased. It is very selfish to preserve a few while killing millions more. The longer the shutdowns the more destruction of people will occur. Entire economic shutdowns are portrayed as simply an inconvenience to people, they dont want you to think of how devastating it has been, that is the truth..

 

[Calminian]

....Entire economic shutdowns are portrayed as simply an inconvenience to people......

And it pretty much is a mere inconvenience to these politicians and celebrities (and other virtual signalers). People with nothing at stake are asking other people with everything at stake to make a sacrifice. I don't know about you, but I call that cowardice.