Errors in Science!

[UTEOTW]

Two posts...one reply.

"You left out leptons. And of course the double quark mesons and triple quark baryons would be intermediate. The triple quark baryons, if up and down, would make up the protons and neutrons. Not to mention the newly discovered five quarks together forming a pentaquark."

But of course. No need to get to complicated. The salient point is that the theory successfully predicts the distribution of matter into the correct percentage of each atom. Interesting enough, since you brought up a few of the other particles that can be made, it turns out that you must use all of the known particles to come up with the right values. For instance, since you brought up leptons and quarks and various combintations of quarks, you likely know that there are three known families of these. For the leptons, the are the electron in one family, the muon in another and the tau in the third. The basic differnce between them is mass. Completeing the leptons, there is an associated neutrino for each electron, muon and tau. Each family also has two quarks. As you said, in the electron family, the up and down quarks from the protons and electrons. All that to ask the question...Are there only three families. One possibility is that since each succeeding family consists of increasingly massive particles that we have not yet built colliders with sufficient energy to create members of the next family. However, if you include a hypothetical fourth family, your predictions of atomic abundances from the BB are now incorrect.

"If my memory is correct Einstein did not accept quantum mechanics, remarking something like "God didn't play dice". Of course I could be wrong since I am not an expert in either of these fields. In fact it was my impression that until recently no one had found application for Einstein's general theory of relativity, assuming they do now."

You are absolutely correct on the first part. Einstein did not accept quantum mechanics. His opinion was that the universe should be governed by by laws where you can replicate results. The probability aspect of QM did not sit well with him. It is a shame, really, once you consider how many years Einstein spent fruitlessly searching for a unified theory while ignoring QM.

As far as application of relativity go... One very old use that I can think of is predicting the orbits of the planets. Classical physics comes close but there are observable deviations. Relativity solves these and successfully explains deviations in the orbits from classical consideration.

Another use is Global Positioning. The GPS satellites depend on some very accurate timekeeping. Differences in time dialtation would render the system unworkable within a very short period of time if the clocks were not corrected continuously for relativistic effects.

One old and one more recent though still fairly old.

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by Gold Dragon:
OldRegular, it is interesting that you chastise Deacon and others for questioning Creation Scientist PhDs who nobody has ever heard of, while you question Albert Einstein who most consider to be one of the greatest scientists in human history.

If you have not heard of some of the Creation Scientists you need to expand your reading.

I don't recall questioning Einstein since I never met him. In fact I often quote Einstein, though I never met him, because he made one of the most perceptive statements in the history of science. He called the Second Law of Thermodynamics the premier law of science.

 

[OldRegular]

Gold Dragon

You can dump on Creation Scientists all you want but here is the resume of one, Carl B. Fliermans, Ph.D. Microbiology.

Education:

B.S. Biology, Asbury College, Wilmore, Kentucky, 1966

M.Sc. Soil Microbiology, University of Kentucky, 1969
Thesis: Ecological and cultural studies on the growth of Histoplasma capsulatum (Darling).

Ph.D. Microbiology, Indiana University, 1972
Thesis: Ecological significance of chemoautotrophic bacteria in hot acid soils.

Ph.D. qualifying examination fields: Microbiology, Limnology, Ecology, Soil Microbiology and Plant Physiology
Postdoctoral Fellow with Dr. E. L. Schmidt, Departments of Microbiology and Soil Science, U. of Minnesota, 1972-1974

Honors:

Department of Energy's Biotechnology Interlaboratory Council for DOE Facilities. 1997-2000.

2000 Chairman elect of Savannah River Technology Center Technical Council for Professional Staff.

1999. Citizens for Nuclear Technology Awareness, Distinguish Scientists Award.

1999. SRTC Vice President's Award for Rubber Tire Recycling using BioWave.

1998-present. National Laboratories' Biotechnology Interlaboratory Council for the Department of Energy

1997. Donald A. Orth Award for Technical Excellence. To Carl B. Fliermans in recognition for significant and continuous contributions to the United States Department of Energy's Special Nuclear Materials Program for National Security in the fields of Limnology and Microbial Ecology.

George Westinghouse Corporate Gold Award for "In situ Bioremediation of Chlorinated Solvents with Natural Gas". 1995.

R&D 100 Technology Award for "In situ Bioremediation of Chlorinated Solvents with Natural Gas". 1995.

George Westinghouse Innovation Award 1996 for "In situ Bioremediation of Chlorinated Solvents with Natural Gas".

Elected Fellow of the American Academy of Microbiology 1991-present.

Environmental Health Committee of ASHRAE 1989-present.

Chairman of Legionellosis Position Paper for ASHRAE from 1991-present.

Chairman Legionellosis Guideline Development Committee for ASHRAE

Elected to Men of Achievement, 15th Edition, Cambridge, England. 1991

Distinctive Contributions to Science from E. I. DuPont Co., 1974-1989.

Excellence in Science from E. I. DuPont Co., 1979, 1989.

Distinguished Service to Applied and Environmental Microbiology Editorial Board, 1977-1983.

ASHRAE 1987 Best Paper Award, "Maintaining Industrial Cooling Systems 'Free' of Legionella pneumophila".

Chair-elect for the Division of Terrestrial and Aquatic Microbiology for the American Society for Microbiology, 1987-1988.

Chairman for the Division of Terrestrial and Aquatic Microbiology for the American Society for Microbiology, 1988-1989.

ASHRAE 1987 Best Paper Award, "Maintaining Industrial Cooling Systems 'Free' of Legionella pneumophila".

From the Office of Health and Environmental Research of the Department of Energy a Certificate of Appreciation for "Leadership on Microbial Ecology and the Microbiology of the Terrestrial Deep Subsurface", 1988.

Chairman and Coordinator for the "First International Symposium for the Microbiology of the Deep Subsurface" Orlando, Florida January 14-18, 1990.

Presidential Appointment to American Society of Heating, Refrigerating and Air-Conditioning Engineers, Environmental Health Committee as a Legionella expert 1989-present.

Professional Experience:

Microbial Ecologist Advisory Scientist, Westinghouse Savannah River Company, Aiken, South Carolina 29808. 1999-Present

Microbial Ecologist Senior Fellow Scientist, Westinghouse Savannah River Company, Aiken, South Carolina 29808. 1996-1999

Microbial Ecologist Fellow Scientist, Westinghouse Savannah River Company, Aiken, South Carolina 29808. 1990-1996

Senior Vice President, Chief Scientist, Environment America, Inc., Aiken, South Carolina 1989 - 1990

Research Staff Microbial Ecologist, Savannah River Laboratory, E. I. DuPont de Nemours & Co., Aiken, South Carolina 1986-1989

Adjunct Research Professor, Department Biology, University South Carolina at Aiken, SC. 1980 - present

Staff Microbial Ecologist, Savannah River Laboratory, E. I. DuPont de Nemours & Co., Aiken, South Carolina 1979-1986

Research Microbial Ecologist, Savannah River Laboratory, E. I. DuPont de Nemours & Co., Aiken, South Carolina 1976-1979

Microbial Ecologist, Savannah River Laboratory, E. I. DuPont de Nemours & Co., Aiken, South Carolina 1974-1976

Post Doctoral Fellow, National Institutes of Health, University of Minnesota, St. Paul, Minnesota 1972-1974

Memberships:

American Society for the Advancement of Science
American Institute for the Biological Sciences
American Society for Microbiology
American Society for Limnology and Oceanography
Current Microbiology
Ecological Society of America
Microbial Ecological Society
American Scientist

Adjunct Professorships

University of Georgia, Department of Microbiology
Wake Forest University, Department of Biology
University of Puerto Rico, Department of Biology
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, Department of Biology
University of South Carolina, Department of Biology
University of South Carolina, Department of Public Health
University of Toledo, Department of Biology
Indiana University, Department of Biology
Asbury College, Department of Biology
Wheaton College, Department of Biology

Publications: (partial list)

Fliermans, C. B. 1969. Ecological and cultural studies on the growth of Histoplasma capsulatum (Darling). M.Sc. Thesis, University of Kentucky, Lexington.

Fliermans, C. B. 1972. Ecological significance of chemoautotrophic bacteria in hot acid soils. Ph.D. Thesis, Indiana University, Bloomington.

Smith, D. W., Carl B. Fliermans and Thomas D. Brock. 1972. Technique for measuring 14C02 uptake by soil microorganisms in situ. Applied Microbiology 23: 595-600.

Fliermans, C. B. and Thomas D. Brock. 1972. Ecology of sulfur-oxidizing bacteria in hot acid soils. Journal of Bacteriology 111: 343-350.

Smith, D. W., C. B. Fliermans and T. D. Brock. 1973. An isotopic technique for measuring the autotrophic activity of soil microorganisms in situ. In: Rosswall, Th. (ed.) Modern Methods in the Study of Microbial Ecology. Bull. Ecol. Res. Comm. (Stockholm) No. 17 (1973).

Fliermans, Carl B. and Thomas D. Brock. 1973. Assay of elemental sulfur in soil. Soil Science 115: 120-122.

Fliermans, Carl B. 1973. Inhibition of Histoplasma capsulatum by garlic. Mycopathologia et Mycologia Applicata 50: 227-232.

Fliermans, C. B., B. B. Bohlool and E. L. Schmidt. 1974. Detection of Nitrobacter in natural habitats using fluorescent antibodies. Applied Microbiology 27: 124-129.

Fliermans, C. B. and E. L. Schmidt. 1975. Autoradiography and immunofluorescence combined for autecological study of single cell activity with Nitrobacter as a model system. Applied Microbiology 30: 676-684.

Fliermans, C. B. and E. L. Schmidt. 1975. Fluorescence microscopy: direct detection, enumeration and spatial distribution of bacteria in aquatic systems. Archives fur Hydrobiologie 76: 33-42.

Fliermans, C. B., P. Schneider-Cain and E. L. Schmidt. 1975. Direct measurement of bacterial stratification in Minnesota lakes. Archives fur Hydrobiologie 76: 248-255.

Hill, Carol A., P. Gary Eller and Carl B. Fliermans. 1974. Saltpeter conversion and the origin of nitrates in caves. Cave Research Foundation 74: 34-38.

Fliermans, C. B. and R. W. Gorden. 1977. Modification of membrane diffusion chambers for deep water studies. Applied and Environmental Microbiology 33: 207-210.

Fliermans, C. B., R. W. Gorden, T. C. Hazen and G. W. Esch. 1977. Aeromonas distribution and survival in a thermally altered lake. Applied and Environmental Microbiology 33: 114-122.

Fliermans, C. B. and E. L. Schmidt. 1977. Nitrobacter in Mammoth Cave. International Journal of Speleology 9:1-19.

Fliermans, C. B. and E. L. Schmidt. 1977. Immunofluorescence for autecological study of a unicellular blue-green alga. Journal of Phycology 13: 364-368.

Gorden, R. W. and C. B. Fliermans. 1978. Survival and viability of Escherichia coli in a thermally altered reservoir. Water Research 12: 343-352.

Fliermans, C. B. and D. W. Hayes. 1978. Radon-22 in biologically produced gas from a reactor cooling pond. Health Physics 34: 701-704.

Gorden, R. W., T. C. Hazen and C. B. Fliermans. 1979. The presence of Aeromonas hydrophila associated with Alligator mississippiensis. Journal of Wildlife Disease Association 15: 239-244.

Hazen, T. C., M. L. Racker, G. W. Esch and C. B. Fliermans. 1978. Ultrastructure of "Red Sore" lesions on largemouth bass: the association of peritrich, Epistylis and the bacterium, Aeromonas hydrophila. Protozoology 25: 351-355.

Kasweck, K. L. and C. B. Fliermans. 1978. Lactose variability of Escherichia coli in thermally stressed reactor effluent waters. Applied and Environmental Microbiology 36: 739-746.

Tansey, M. R. and C. B. Fliermans. 1978. Pathogenic species of thermophilic and thermotolerant fungi in reactor effluents of the Savannah River Plant. In: Energy and Environmental Stress in Aquatic Systems Symposium, J. H. Thorp and J. W. Gibbons (ed.) DOE Symposium Series CONF-77114, pp. 663-690.

Hazen, T. C., C. B. Fliermans, R. P. Hirsch and G. W. Esch. 1978. Prevalence and distribution of Aeromonas hydrophila in the United States. Applied and Environmental Microbiology 34: 731-738.

Fliermans, C. B., R. L. Tyndall, E. L. Domingue and E. J. P. Willaert. 1979. Isolation of Naegleria fowleri from artificially heated water. Journal of Thermal Biology 4:303-305.

Fliermans, C. B., W. B. Cherry, L. H. Orrison and L. Thacker. 1979. Isolation of Legionella pneumophila from non-epidemic related aquatic habitats. Applied and Environmental Microbiology 37:1239-1242.

Tansey, M. R. and C. B. Fliermans. 1979. Aerosol dissemination of pathogenic thermophilic and thermotolerant fungi from thermal effluents of nuclear production reactors. Mycologia 69:91-115.

Wilde, E. W. and C. B. Fliermans. 1979. Fluorescence microscopy for algal studies. Transaction American Microscopy Society 98:96-102.

Hazen, T. C. and C. B. Fliermans. 1979. The distribution of Aeromonas hydrophila in natural and man-made thermal effluents. Applied and Environmental Microbiology 38:166-168.

Fliermans, C. B. and T. C. Hazen. 1980.. Serological specificity of Aeromonas hydrophila as measured by immunofluorescence photometric microscopy. Canadian Journal of Microbiology 26:161-168.

Tison, D. L., D. H. Pope, C. B. Fliermans and W. B. Cherry. 1980. Growth of Legionella pneumophila (Legionnaires' Disease Bacterium) in association with blue green algae. Applied and Environmental Microbiology 39:456-459.

Gorden, R. W. and C. B. Fliermans. 1980. Methanogenesis in thermal reactor effluents. Journal of Thermal Biology 5: 169-177.

Fallon, R. D. and C. B. Fliermans. 1980. Formation of nonvolatile mutagens by water chlorination: persistence and relationship to molecular weight of organic material in water. Chemosphere 9: 385-391.

Tyndall, R. L. , E. L. Domingue, C. B. Fliermans, and E. Willaert. 1980. Isolation of an encephalitic Acanthamoeba from thermally enriched water. Proc. 2nd International Conference Biological Pathogenicity of Small Free-Living Amoebae, Gainesville, Florida. p. 134.

Fliermans, C. B., W. B. Cherry, L. H. Orrison, S. J. Smith, D. L. Tison, and D. H. Pope. 1981. Ecological Distribution of Legionella pneumophila. Applied and Environmental Microbiology 41:9-16.

Tison, D. L., E. W. Wilde, D. H. Pope and C. B. Fliermans. 1981. Productivity and species composition of algal mat communities exposed to a fluctuating thermal regime. Microbial Ecology 7:151-165.

Fliermans, C. B., G. E. Bettinger and A. W. Fynsk. 1982. Treatment of cooling systems containing high levels of Legionella pneumophila. Water Research 16:903-909.

Fliermans, C. B., R. J. Soracco and D. H. Pope. 1981. Measurement of Legionella pneumophila activity in situ. Current Microbiology 6:89-94.

Orrison, L. H., W. B. Cherry, C. B. Fliermans, S. B. Kees, L. K. McDougal and D. J. Dodd. 1981. Characteristics of environmental isolates of Legionella pneumophila. Applied and Environmental Microbiology 42:109-115.

Soracco, R. J., H. K. Gill, C. B. Fliermans and D. H. Pope. 1983. Susceptibility of algae and Legionella pneumophila to cooling tower biocides. Applied and Environmental Microbiology 45:1254-1260.

Pope, D. H., R. J. Soracco, H. K. Gill and C. B. Fliermans. 1982. Growth of Legionella pneumophila in two membered cultures with green algae and cyanobacteria. Current Microbiology 7:319-322.

Muldrow, L. L., R. L. Tyndall and C. B. Fliermans. 1982. Application of flow cytometry for studies of pathogenic free-living amoebae. Applied and Environmental Microbiology 44:1258-1269.

Tyndall, R. L., S. B. Gough, C. B. Fliermans, E. L. Domingue and C. B. Duncan. 1983. Isolation of a new Legionella species from thermally altered waters. Current Microbiology 9:77-80.

Orrison, L. H., W. B. Cherry, R. L. Tyndall, C. B. Fliermans, D. J. Brenner, M. A. Lambert, W. F. Bibb and L. K. McDougal. 1983. Legionella oakridgensis: an unusual new species isolated from cooling tower water. Applied and Environmental Microbiology 45:536-545.

Fliermans, C. B. 1983. Autecological of Legionella pneumophila In: Workshop Conference on Legionnaires' Disease. F. J. Fehrenbach (ed.) Legionellose-Arbeitstagung des Bundesgesundheitsamt, West Berlin, Dietrich Reimer Verlag 255:58-63.

Fliermans, C. B. 1985. Ecological niche of Legionella pneumophila. In: R. S. Katz (ed.) CRC Press, Inc., Legionellosis, II. pg. 75-116. Boca Raton, FL

Fliermans, C. B. and R. S. Harvey. 1984. Effectiveness of bromicide against Legionella pneumophila in a cooling tower. Applied and Environmental Microbiology 47:1307-1310.

Solomon, Jean A., Sigurd W. Christensen, Richard L. Tyndall, Carl B. Fliermans and Stephen B. Gough. 1984. Distribution of Legionella in power plant environments. In: Legionella Proceedings of the 2nd International Symposium. American Society for Microbiology, Washington, D. C. pp. 309-311.

Tyndall, R. L., S. W. Christensen, J. A. Solomon, C. B. Fliermans and S. B. Gough. 1984. Thermally altered habitats as a source of known and new Legionella species. In: Legionella Proceedings of the 2nd International Symposium. American Society for Microbiology, Washington, D. C., pp. 311-313.

Christensen, Sigurd, W., Richard L. Tyndall, Jean A. Solomon, Carl B. Fliermans and Stephen B. Gough. 1984. Patterns of Legionella spp. infectivity in power plant environments. In: Legionella Proceedings of the 2nd International Symposium. American Society for Microbiology, Washington, D. C., pp. 313-315.

Corbo, P., Kantelo, M. V., Fliermans, C. B. 1985. Analytical results, database management and quality assurance for analyses of soil cores from the F- and H-Area seepage basins. DPST-85-921. Du Pont de Nemours (E.I.) and Co., Aiken, SC (United States). Savannah River Lab.

Fliermans, C. B. and J. A. Nygren. 1987. Maintaining industrial cooling systems "free" of Legionella pneumophila. Transactions of American Society of Heating, Refrigerating and Air-Conditioning Engineers 93: NT-87-09-4.

Fliermans, C. B., T. J. Phelps, D. Ringelberg, A. T. Mikell, and D. C. White. 1988. Mineralization of trichloroethylene by heterotrophic enrichment cultures. Applied and Environmental Microbiology 54: 1709-1714.

Phelps, T.J., D. Ringelberg, D. Hedrick, J. Davis, C. B. Fliermans, and D.C. White. 1988. Microbial biomass and activities associated with subsurface environments contaminated with chlorinated hydrocarbons. Geomicrobiology Journal 6:157-170.

Phelps, T.J., D. Ringelberg, D. Hedrick, J. Davis, C. B. Fliermans, and D.C. White. 1987. Microbial activities and biomass associated with subsurface environments contaminated with chlorinated hydrocarbons. DP-MS-87-162. E. I. DuPont de Nemours & Co., Savannah River Laboratory, Aiken, SC.

Tyndall, R.L., K. Ironside, P. Metler, E. Tan, T. C. Hazen and C. B. Fliermans. 1989. Effect of thermal additions on the distribution of thermophilic amoebae and pathogenic Naegleria fowleri in a newly created cooling lake. Applied and Environmental Microbiology 55: 722-732.

Phelps, T.J., D.B. Hendrick, D. Ringelberg, C. B. Fliermans, and D.C. White. 1989. Utility of radiotracer activity measurements for subsurface microbiology studies. Journal of Microbiological Methods 9: 15-27.

Phelps, T. J., C. B. Fliermans, T. Garland, S. M. Pfiffner and D. C White. 1989. Recovery of deep subsurface material for microbiological studies. Journal of Microbiological Methods 9: 267-279.

Phelps, T.J., E. G. Raione, D.C. White, and C. B. Fliermans. 1988. Microbial activities in deep subsurface environments. Geomicrobiology Journal 7: 79-91.

Fliermans, C. B. and D. L. Balkwill. 1989. Life in the terrestrial deep subsurface. BioScience 39: 370-377.

Sargent , K. A. and C. B. Fliermans. 1989. Microbiology and geological comparisons of the terrestrial deep subsurface. Geomicrobiology Journal 7: 1-11.

Fliermans, C. B. 1989. Microbial life in the terrestrial subsurface of southeastern coastal plain sediments. Hazardous Waste & Hazardous Materials 6:155-175.

Hazen, T.C., Luis Jimenez, Geralyne Lopez de Victoria and Carl B. Fliermans. 1990. Comparison of Bacteria from Deep Subsurface Sediment and Adjacent Ground Water, p.2-141 to 2-158. In: C. B. Fliermans and T. C. Hazen (eds.), Proceedings of the First International Symposium on Microbiology of the Deep Subsurface. January 15-19, 1990, Orlando, Florida, WSRC Information Services, Aiken, SC

Jimenez, L., G. Lopez de Victoria, J. Wear, C. B. Fliermans, and T.C. Hazen. Molecular Analysis of Deep Subsurface Bacteria. p.2-97 to 2-114. In: C. B. Fliermans and T. C. Hazen (eds.), Proceedings of the First International Symposium on Microbiology of the Deep Subsurface. January 15-19, 1990, Orlando, Florida, WSRC Information Services, Aiken, SC

Fliermans, C. B. and T. C. Hazen, 1990. Coordinators, Conveners and CoEditors In: C. B. Fliermans and T. C. Hazen (eds.), Proceedings of the First International Symposium on Microbiology of the Deep Subsurface. January 15-19, 1990, Orlando, Florida, WSRC Information Services, Aiken, SC

Fliermans, C. B. and K. A. Sargent, 1990. Coordinators, Conveners of Round Table #3. "Cooperation Between Microbiologists, Hydrologists, Geologists, Drillers and Modelers". In: C. B. Fliermans and T. C. Hazen (eds.), Proceedings of the First International Symposium on Microbiology of the Deep Subsurface. January 15-19, 1990, Orlando, Florida, WSRC Information Services, Aiken, SC

Phelps, T. J. and C. B. Fliermans, 1990. Use of Rhodamine Dye as a Tracer in Deep Subsurface Investigations. p 7-179. In: C. B. Fliermans and T. C. Hazen (eds.), Proceedings of the First International Symposium on Microbiology of the Deep Subsurface. January 15-19, 1990, Orlando, Florida, WSRC Information Services, Aiken, SC

Fliermans, C. B. and R. W. Harvey. 1990. Coordinators, Conveners of Round Table #5. "Tracers". p 7-143 to 7-180. In: C. B. Fliermans and T. C. Hazen (eds.), Proceedings of the First International Symposium on Microbiology of the Deep Subsurface. January 15-19, 1990, Orlando, Florida, WSRC Information Services, Aiken, SC

Fliermans, C. B. 1991. The Role of the Expert Witness in Legionella Litigation. ASHRAE Transactions 97: 3468-3473.

Hazen, T.C., L. Jimenez, G. Lopez de Victoria and C. B. Fliermans. 1991. Comparison of Bacteria from Water and Sediment Cores in Terrestrial Subsurface, Microbial Ecology 22:293-304.

Fliermans, C. B. 1992. ASHRAE Applications Handbook. Chapter 43. Legionellosis In: Corrosion Control an Water Treatment. American Society for Heating, Refrigerating and Air Conditioning Engineers, Atlanta, GA.

Hazen, Terry C. J. M. Dougherty, M. Enzien, M. M. Franck, C. B. Fliermans, and C. A. Eddy. 1992. DOE/SRS Integrated Demonstration: In Situ Bioremediation Of Soil and Groundwater at a Chlorinated Solvent Contaminated Site Using Horizontal Wells to Inject Air and Methane. IN: In-Situ Bioremediation Symposium '92. Niagara-on-the -Lake Ontario, Canada. pg

Fliermans, C. B., J. M. Dougherty, M. M. Franck, P. C. McKinsey and T. C. Hazen. 1992. Immunological Techniques as Tools to Characterize the Subsurface Microbial Community at a Trichloroethylene Contaminated Site. WSRC-MS-92-459. In Situ and On-Site Bioreclamation. The Second International Symposium. San Diego, CA

King, Charles, M., C. B. Fliermans, Vincent Van Brunt, Amy Schwirian, and John W. Schafer III. 1992. Catalytic and Biochemical Concepts for Removal of Tritium from SRS Process and Environmental Waters. Chemical Engineering News. July 13, 1992.

Fliermans, C. B. 1992. Legionella Ecology. WSRC-MS-92-354. Burge, H. A. and M. L. Mullenberg (eds). In: Biological Aerosols: A State of the Art Review, Center for Indoor Air Research.

Fliermans, C. B. "Legionella Ecology". 1992. WSRC-TR-92-586. Aiken SC

Fliermans, C. B. "Legionella ". 1992. WSRC-TR-587. Aiken SC

Fliermans, Carl B. and Richard L. Tyndall. 1993. Association of Legionella pneumophila with Natural Ecosystems. In: Barbaree et al. (Editors), Legionella Current Status and Emerging Perspectives. American Society for Microbiology, Washington, D.C. p. 284-285.

Tyndall, R. L. A. A. Vass and C. B. Fliermans. 1993. Mixed Bacterial Populations Derived from Legionella-infected Free Living Amoebae. In: Barbaree et al. (Editors), Legionella Current Status and Emerging Perspectives. American Society for Microbiology, Washington, D.C. p. 142-145.

Fliermans, C. B., J. M. Dougherty, M. M. Franck, P. C. McKinsey and T. C. Hazen. 1994. Immunological Techniques as Tools to Characterize the Subsurface Microbial Community at a Trichloroethylene Contaminated Site. pgs 186-203. In: Applied Biotechnology for Site Remediation Ed. R. E. Hinchee. In Situ and On-Site Bioreclamation, The Second International Symposium. San Diego, CA. Lewis Publishers, Boca Raton, FL.

Fliermans, C.B., T. C. Hazen, and H. Bledsoe. Characterization and reclamation assessment for the Central Shops Diesel Storage Facility, Savannah River Site, Aiken, South Carolina. (U). WSRC-TR-93-157. Westinghouse Savannah River Company, Aiken, SC.

Hazen, Terry, C., B. B. Looney, M. Enzien, M. M. Franck, C. B. Fliermans and C. A. Eddy. 1993. In Situ Bioremediation Via Horizontal Wells. American Chemical Society. Atlanta, GA

Hazen, Terry, C., K. Lombard and C. B. Fliermans. 1993. Full-Scale Prepared Bed Bioremediation Facility for Petroleum-Contaminated Soil. American Chemical Society. August 22-27, Chicago, Illinois.

Hazen, Terry C., J. M. Dougherty, M. Enzien, M. M. Frank, C. B. Fliermans, and C. A. Eddy. 1993. DOE/SRS Integrated Demonstration: In Situ Bioremediation of Soil and Groundwater at a Chlorinated Solvent Contaminated Site Using Horizontal Wells to Inject Air and Methane. National Conference on Hydraulic Engineering and International Symposium on Engineering Hydrology. July 25-30 S35. San Francisco, CA.

Hazen, T. C., B. B. Looney, M. Enzien, M. M. Frank, C. B. Fliermans, and C. A. Eddy. 1993. In Situ Bioremediation Via Horizontal Wells. The Industrial & Engineering Chemistry Division of the American Chemical Society. p 247-250

Fliermans, Carl B., Horace W. Bledsoe, and Terry C. Hazen. 1993. Characterization and Reclamation Assessment for a Diesel Storage Facility at the Savannah River Site. WSRC-TR-93-039. Westinghouse Savannah River Company, Aiken, SC.

Eddy Dilek, C. A. B. B. Looney, T. C. Hazen, R. L. Nichols, C. B. Fliermans, W. H. Parker, J. M. Dougherty, D. S. Kaback and J. L. Simmons. 1993. Post-Test evaluation of the geology, geochemistry, microbiology, and hydrology of the In Situ Air Stripping Demonstration Site at the Savannah River Site (U). WSRC-TR-93-369. Westinghouse Savannah River Company, Aiken, SC.

Eddy Dilek, C. A., Jarosch, T. R., Fliermans, C. B., B. B. Looney, and Parker, W. H. 1993. Characterization of the geology, geochemistry, and microbiology of the radio frequency heating demonstration site at the Savannah River Site. WSRC-TR-93-459. Westinghouse Savannah River Co., Aiken, SC (United States)

Fliermans, C. B., J. M. Dougherty, M. M. Franck, P. C. McKinsey and T. C. Hazen. 1994. Immunological Techniques as Tools to Characterize the Subsurface Microbial Community at a Trichloroethylene Contaminated Site. pgs 186-203. In: Applied Biotechnology for Site Remediation Ed. R. E. Hinchee. In Situ and On-Site Bioreclamation, The Second International Symposium. San Diego, CA. Lewis Publishers, Boca Raton, FL.

Enzien, M.V., F. Picardal, T. Hazen, R. Arnold and C. B. Fliermans, 1994. Reductive Dechlorination of Trichloroethylene and Tetrachloroethylene Under Aerobic Conditions. Appl. Environ. Microbiol. 60: 2200-2205.

Hazen, T. C., K. H. Lombard, B. B. Looney, M. V. Enzien, J. M. Dougherty, C. B. Fliermans, John Wear, and C. A. Eddy-Dilek. 1994. In Situ Bioremediation Demonstration (Methane Biostimulation) of the Savannah River Site Integrated Demonstration Project. In: In Situ Remediation: Scientific Basis for Current and Future Technologies. 33 Hanford Symposium on Health and Environment Symposium, November 1994 pg 137-150.

Hazen, T.C., K.H. Lombard, B.B. Looney, M.V. Enzien, J.M. Doughtery, C.B. Fliermans, J. Wear, and C.A. Eddy-Dilek. Preliminary Technology Report for In Situ Bioremediation Demonstration ( Methane Biostimulation) of the Savannah River Site Integrated Demonstration Project. Aug. 14-18, 1994, Atlanta, GA. Proceedings American Nuclear Society In: Spectrum '94 ; International Nuclear and Hazardous Waste Management. pg. 946-951.

Hazen, T. C., J. M. Dougherty, M. Enzien, M. M. Franck, C. B. Fliermans, and C. A. Eddy. In Situ Bioremediation Via Horizontal Wells. July, 1993, San Francisco, California. Proceedings Hydrology Conference of the American Society of Civil Engineers.

Hazen, T. C., B. B. Looney, M. Enzien, J. M. Dougherty, J. Wear, C. B. Fliermans, and C. A. Eddy. In Press. In Situ Bioremediation Via Horizontal Wells. Proceedings Michigan Biotechnical Institute's International Symposium on Bioremediation.

Hazen, T. C., J. M. Dougherty, M. Enzien, M. M. Franck, C. B. Fliermans, and C. A. Eddy. 1993. In Situ Bioremediation Via Horizontal Wells. September, 1993, Atlanta, Georgia. Proceedings Emerging Technologies in Hazardous Waste Management V, The Industrial & Engineering Chemistry Division of the American Chemical Society. pg. 247-250.

Hazen, T. C., J. M. Dougherty, M. Enzien, M. M. Franck, C. B. Fliermans, and C. A. Eddy. 1993. In Situ Bioremediation Via Horizontal Wells. Proceedings Hydrology Conference of the American Society of Civil Engineers.

Fliermans, C. B. Legionellosis Position Paper. 1994. American Society for Heating, Refrigerating and Air-Conditioning Engineers, Inc., Atlanta, GA.

T. C. Hazen, K. H. Lombard, B. B. Looney, M. V. Enzien, J. M. Dougherty, C. B. Fliermans, John Wear and C. A. Eddy-Dilek. 1994. Summary of In Situ Bioremediation Demonstration (Methane Biostimulation) Via Horizontal Wells at the Savannah River Site Integrated Demonstration Project. Proceedings Thirty-Third Hanford Symposium on Health and the Environment: In-Situ Remediation: Scientific Basis for Current and Future Technologies p. 135-150 G. W. Gee and N. R. Wing (eds)

Hazen, T. C., Looney, B. B., Fliermans, C. B., Eddy-Dilek, C. A., Lombard, K. H., Enzien, M. V., Dougherty, J. M. and Wear, J. 1994. Technology summary of the in situ bioremediation demonstration (methane biostimulation) via horizontal wells at the Savannah River Site Integrated Demonstration Project. Westinghouse Savannah River Co., Aiken, SC (United States) <Code> 9525316

Gibbs, Ann, C.J. Bannochie, C.A. Langdon, C. B. Fliermans, C.E. Pickett, R. E. Koenig and S. R. Bohrer. 1994. Treatment of SRS Reactor Moderator Deionizers and Resins for Disposal. WSRC-TR-0590. Westinghouse Savannah River Company, Aiken, SC.

Fliermans, Carl B. 1995. Legionella Ecology. In: Biological Aerosols: A State of the Art Review, Center for Indoor Air Research. Burge, H. A. and M. L. Mullenberg (eds). Lewis Publishers/CRC Press. Boca Raton, FL. pg. 49-76.

Fliermans, Carl B., Horace W. Bledsoe, and Terry C. Hazen. Characterization and Reclamation Assessment for a Diesel Storage Facility at the Savannah River Site. WSRC-MS-93-039. Waste Management & Research .

Gibbs, Ann. C.J. Bannochie, C.A. Langton, C. B. Fliermans, C. E. Pickett, R.E. Koenig and S. R. Bohrer. 1995. Treatment of Reactor Moderator Deionizers and Resins for Disposal. WSRC-TR-0590. Westinghouse Savannah River Company, Aiken, SC.

Hazen, T.C., K.H. Lombard, B.B. Looney, M.V. Enzien, J. M. Doughtery, C. B. Fliermans, John Wear, and C. A. Eddy-Dilek. 1995. Full Scale Demonstration of the In Situ Bioremediation of Chlorinated Solvents in the Deep Subsurface Using Gaseous Nutrient Stimulation. ISME-7 Proceedings paper.

Fliermans, Carl B. 1996. Ecology of Legionella: from data to knowledge with a little wisdom. Microbial Ecology 32: 203-228.

Hazen, T. C., K. H. Lombard, B. B. Looney, M. V. Enzien, J. M. Dougherty, C. B. Fliermans, J. Wear, and C.A. Eddy-Dilek. 1996. Full Scale Demonstration of In Situ Bioremediation of Chlorinated Solvents In the Deep Subsurface Using Gaseous Nutrient Biostimulation. Proced. ISME-7.

Hazen, T. C., B. B. Looney, M. Enzien, J. M. Dougherty, J. Wear, C. B. Fliermans, and C. A. Eddy. 1996. In Situ Bioremediation Via Horizontal Wells. Biotechnology. In: Industrial Waste Treatment and Bioremediation, eds. R. F.Hickey and G. Smith, CRC Press, Boca Raton, FL. p 79-86.

Hazen, T. C., K. H. Lombard, B. B. Looney, M. V. Enzien, J. M. Dougherty, C. B. Fliermans, J. Wear, and C.A. Eddy-Dilek. 1996. Innovative Site Characteristics of Microbes. Proced. IGT Biotech Conf.

Dougherty, J. M., C. B. Fliermans, C. J. Berry, M. M. Franck, and T. C. Hazen. Characterization of the Subsurface Microbial Community from a Trichloroethylene Contaminated Site. Applied and Environmental Microbiology (in press)

Hazen, Terry C., J. M. Dougherty, C. B. Fliermans, and B. B. Looney. Bioremediation of Soil and Groundwater at a Chlorinated Solvent Contaminated Site Using Horizontal Wells to Inject Air. Applied and Environmental Microbiology (in press)

Gorden, R. W., C. B. Fliermans and T. C. Hazen. Uses and Limitations of Biolog Technology in Microbial Ecology.(in press)

Fliermans, C. B. Ecology of pathogenic microorganisms at Savannah River Plant. Applied and Environmental Microbiology (in preparation).

Fliermans, C. B. Enhancement of seepage basin flow without migration. Waste Management & Research (in preparation).

Fliermans, C. B. Dendrochronology as a measure of tritium migration. Waste Management & Research (in preparation).

Fliermans, Carl B., P.C. McKinsey, Charles Lockett, M. M. Franck, and Terry C. Hazen. Use of Biolog® Technology to Assess Remediation and Groundwater Perturbations (Submitted).

Fisher, John F., Carl B. Fliermans, James T. Tippett, David R. Thomas, Michael Haynes, A. Lynne Brannon and Frederick J. Rosenblum.. The Recreational Vehicle: Association with Legionella pneumophila (in preparation).

Manuel Casanova, Frank Carl, Jerry Buccafusco, Carl Fliermans, Al Boni, Syed Islam, and et al. The Gulf War Syndrome: Consensus of Investigators at The Augusta VA Medical Center, The Medical College of Georgia, and The Savannah River Technology Center. JAMA (Submitted).

Ulfig, Krzysztof, Grazyna Plata, T. C. Hazen, C. B. Fliermans, M. M. Franck and K.H. Lombard. 1996. Bioremediation Treatability and Feasibility Studies at a Polish Petroleum Refinery. Proceedings Third International Symposium and Exhibition on Environmental Contamination in Central and Eastern Europe, Warsaw, Poland.

Hazen, T. C., B. B. Looney, M. Enzien, J. M. Dougherty, J. Wear, C. B. Fliermans, and C. A. Eddy. 1996. In Situ Bioremediation Via Horizontal Wells. Biotechnology in Industrial Waste Treatment and Bioremediation, eds. R. F. Hickey and G. Smith, p 79-86.

Fliermans, C.B., M.M. Franck, T.C. Hazen and R.W. Gorden. 1997. Ecofunctional Enzymes of Microbial Communities in Groundwater. FEMS Microbiological Reviews 20:379-389.

Brigmon, R.L. and Carl Fliermans. 1997. Intrinsic Bioremediation of Landfills Interim Report. WSRC-RP-97-323

Santo Domingo, J.W., C.J. Berry, M. Summers and C. B. Fliermans. 1997 Microbiology of Spent Nuclear Fuels Storage Basins. DOE-WSRC-MS-97-00836.

Brigmon, R.L., T. A. Anderson and C. B. Fliermans. 1999. Methanotrophic Bacteria in the Rhizosphere of Trichloroethylene Degrading Plants. Internationa Journal of Phytoremediatioin. (accepted)

Santo Domingo, J.W., C.J. Berry, M. Summer and C. B. Fliermans. 1998. Microbiology of Spent Nuclear Fuel Storage Basins. WSRC-MS-98-00836.

Santo Domingo, J.W., C.J. Berry, M. Summer and C. B. Fliermans. 1998. Microbiology of Spent Nuclear Fuel Storage Basins. Current Microbiology 37:387-394.

Brigmon, R.L., M.M. Franck. J.S.Bray. D.F. Scott, K.D. Lanclos and C.B. Fliermans, 1998. Direct Immunofluorescence and enzyme-linked immunosorbent assays for evaluating organic contaminant degrading bacteria. J Microbial. Methods 32: 1-10.

Fliermans, Car B. and Geralyne Lopez-de-Victoria. The Microbial Mine Detection System (MMDS). The Society of Photo-Optical Instrumentation Engineer's (SPIE) 12th International Symposium on Aerospace/Defense Sensing, Simulation, and Controls (AeroSense). Detection and Remediation Technologies for Mines and Minelike Targets 3392:462-468. Orlando, FL. April 13-17, 1998.

Lowry, N.J., W.P. Kubilius, C.E. Bell, E.J. Kahal, J.E.Young, S.L.Crump, M.E. Summer, C.B Fliermans and J.Weber. 1998. Analytical Study of High Concentration PCB Paint at the Heavy Water Components Test Reactor (HWCTR)".WSRC-TR-98-00374, "

Brigmon, Robin L., Denis J. Altman, Marilyn M. Franck, Terry C. Hazen, Carl B. Fliermans and Al W. Bourquin. 1999. Evaluation of Methanotrophic Bacteria During Injection of Gaseous nutrients for In Situ Trichloroethylene Bioremediation in a Sanitary Landfill.

Fliermans, Matt. C., Lynn D. Wike and Carl B. Fliermans. 1999. Bacterial Loading in Small Mammals of Pen and Meyer's Branch Stream Corridors. Science of the Total Environmnet (in press).

Brigmon, R. L., D. J. Altman, M. M. Franck, T. C. Hazen, A. W. Bourquin and C. B. Fliermans. 1999. Evaluation of Methanotrophic Bacteria During Injection of Gaseous Nutrients for In situ Trichloroethylene Bioremediation in a Sanitary Landfill. In "Engineered Approaches for In Situ Bioremediation of Chlorinated Solvent Contamination". 5(2):107-112. Batelle Press Columbus, OH

Brigmon, R. L., T.A. Anderson and C. B. Fliermans. 1999. Methanotrophic Bacteria in the Rizosphere of Trichloroethylene-Degrading Plants. International J. of Phytoremediation. 3: 241-253.

Fliermans, Carl B. 1999. Role of Microorganisms in the Operation of the Savannah River Site. In: Celebrating 50 years of Excellence in Scienice and Engineering at the Savannah River Site.

Phillips, Robert W., Christopher J. Berry, Carl B. Fliermans, Jurgen Wiegel and Lawrence J. Schimkets. 2000. Identification of an Arachidonic Acid-Producing Bacterium and Description of Kineococcus arachidonicus sp.nov. (submitted to Journal of Systematic Bacteriology)

Phillips, Robert W., Christopher J. Berry, Carl B. Fliermans, Jurgen Wiegel and Lawrence J. Schimkets. 2000. Characterization of a Kineococcus-like Isolate from a Radioactive Work Area. WSRC-MS-2000-00220. (Submitted)

Fliermans, Carl and Pamela McKinsey. Microbiological Analysis of Lettuce Samples from SRS Cafeteria. SRT-EST-2000-000261

Fliermans, Carl B. and Pamela C. Mckinsey. Investigations of Feasibility of In Situ Biodetritiation. FY 2000 Strategic R&D Investigation Final Report. SRT-EST-2001-000126

Fliermans, Carl B, Christopher J. Berry, Dee Dee Stewart and Pamela C. McKinsey. Novel Bacteria Associated with Highly Radioactive Waste (HLW). SRTC-RP-2001-00932.

Phillips, Robert W., Juergen Wiegel, Christopher J. Berry, Carl B. Fliermans, Aaron D. Peacock, David C. White and Lawrence J. Shimkets. 2002. Kineococcus radiotolerans sp. nov., a radiation resistant, Gram-positive bacterium. International Journal of Systematic and Evolutionary Microbiology. Vol 52: Paper # 02029.

Reviewer:

Journal of Bacteriology
Canadian Journal of Microbiology
Microbial Ecology
Archives of Environmental Contamination and Toxicology
Applied and Environmental Microbiology
Journal of Microbiological Methods
Elsevier Biomedical Press
Journal of Epidemiology
American Society of Heating, Refrigeration and Air-Conditioning Engineers

Advisory Boards, Grants and Contracts:

Department of Energy
National Science Foundation
National Institutes of Health
U. S. Environmental Protection Agency
Electrical Power Research Institute
Gas Research Institute
Institute for Creation Research

Grants and Patents:

Aerobic Microorganism for the Degradation of Chlorinated Aliphatic Hydrocarbons. Patent # 4,877,736 allowed on October 31, 1989. First patent for microorganisms that degrade TCE under aerobic conditions.

Method of Injecting Nutrients Using Horizontal Wells to Promote Bioremediation of Contaminated Sites. T. C. Hazen and C. B. Fliermans. Patent #5,384,048 allowed on 1/24/95

Remote Monitoring of Explosives and Other Volatile Compounds Using Microbiological Bioluminescence Technology. SRS-96-041. C. B. Fliermans, Henry Randolph and Brian Andresen. 2/7/96.

Global Detection of Land Mines and Other Buried Objects Utilizing Genetically Enhanced Microorganisms. Brian Andresen, Carl B. Fliermans and Alfred W. Nutt. 2/13/96.

BioMicrowave Degradation of Tires. Carl B. Fliermans and George G. Wicks. SRS-96-0035. 1/18/96

Microbial Degradation of Tires for Recycling. Carl B. Fliermans SRS-96-0036. 1/18/96.

Use of Optical Compact Disk Technology for the Detection of Disease and Environmental Contaminants. SRS-96-006. Henry Randolph and Carl Fliermans.

Sero Specific Biocarriers for Enhanced Biodegradation and Bioremediation of Groundwater. C. B. Fliermans. US Patent Application #08,583,151. SRS-91-019. 5/4/94.

Use of Sero Specific Biocarriers for Enhanced Biodegradation and Bioremediation of Groundwater. C. B. Fliermans. SRS -91-020. 5/4/94. Patent #5,976,867 Awarded 11/2/99.

Waste Use of Microorganisms and Microbial Consortia for the Detritiation of Gas and Water. C. B. Fliermans. SRS-91-022. 12/13/90.

Microbial Consortia for the Degradation of Mixed Hazardous Wastes. C. B. Fliermans. SRS-91-024. 5/4/.

Sero Specific FELISA Technique for Measuring Biological Components of Selected Environments. C. B. Fliermans. SRS-94-0078. 7/21/94

Solar Enhanced Intrinsic Bioremediation with Multi Horizontal Wells and Vapor Extraction. C. B. Fliermans. SRS-95-015. 9/23/95

Sediment Microbial Reinoculation Chamber. SRS 90-062. Hazen, T. C., R. E. Long, and C. B. Fliermans. Disclosure 2/7/90. WSRC Patent Committee did not recommend patent application because enforcement would be difficult 3/22/90.

Preparation and Use of Fiber Optic ImmunoBioprobes for Real Time Measurements of Contaminants and Microorganisms in Groundwater. SRS-91-033. C. B. Fliermans. WSRC Patent Committee did not recommend patent application. 1/7/91.

Control of Organic Vapors and Microbials During Laser and Electrocautery Surgical Procedures. WSRC Patent Committee did not recommend patent application. 1/94.

A Device (The CancerLight) to Aid Cancer Surgery by Identifying Residual Malignant Tissue During Surgery. SRS-96-086. Henry Randolph and Carl Fliermans.

Process to Increase Tumor Kill and Selectivity if Gamma Therapy. SRS-97-007. Henry Randolph and Carl Fliermans.

Mixed Waste Bioremediation BioBox.SRS-99-000. Robin Brigmon, Horace D. Skipper, David L. Freedman and Carl Fliermans. 6/99.

Principle Investigator "Ecological Niche of LDB in Aquatic Habitats." National Institutes of Health, $738,000 for 3 years.

Principle Investigator "Legionnaires' Disease Bacterium in Power Plant Cooling Systems." Electrical Power Research Institute, $800,000 for 3 years.

Program Director of Savannah River Laboratory's Environmental Biotechnology Program, 1984-86.

Program Technical Director of Department of Energy's "Microbiology of the Deep Subsurface", $6,000,000 program from 1985-1989.

Director and Founder of Savannah River Laboratory's Environmental Remediation and Restoration Research Center, 1990-present.

United States Department of Energy

Contract DOE HAZWRAP. Biodegradation of Trichloroethylene. 1987-8: $250,000; 1988-9: $250,000; 1989-90: $250,000; 1990-91: $250,00; 1991-92: $1,200,000; 1992-93: $500,000.

Contract DOE OTD. Integrated Demonstration of In Situ Remediation of Trichloroethylene in Soil and Groundwater at SRS. 1989-90: $750,000; 1990-91: $1,000,000; 1991-92: $2,500,000; 1992-3: $2,100,000; 1993-4: $450,000

CRADA DOE and Bearehaven Reclamation Inc. 1994-1995: $1,400,000.

CRADA DOE and Michelin, . Microbial Recycling of tires. 1996-1998; $300,000/year

Intrinsic Bioremediation at SRTC's Sanitary Landfill. 1996-1997: $300,000

Monitoring of Legionella pneumophila in Cooling Towers. 1998; $325,000

Microbiology of Spent Nuclear Fuel and Basins. 1996-1998; $85,000/year

Indoor Air Quality Monitoring. 1998. $45,000.

Physiological Analyses of Subsurface Microbiology Culture Collection. 1998; $100,000

Biological Degradation of Precursors. NN20; 1998; $150,000

Microbiology of Extreme Environments; High Level Waste Tanks. 1998-2000; $300,000/ year

United States Department of Defense.

Strategic Environmental Research and Development Program. Methanotrophic Bioreactors for Treatment of Contaminated Ground Water. 1994-95: $1,600,000.

Intrinsic Bioremediation at SRTC's Sanitary Landfill. 1996-1997: $300,000

Microbial Mine Detection System. US Army Communications & Electronics Command Night Vision & Electronic Sensor Directorate. 1997-2000; $350,000/year

Consultations:

University of Georgia
University of Louisiana
University of Florida
University of Pennsylvania
University of Illinois
University of Ohio
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
University of South Carolina
University of Puerto Rico
University of Vermont
University of Wisconsin
University of Minnesota
Medical College of Georgia
Wheaton College, Wheaton, IL
Harvard Medical School, Massachusetts
Asbury College, Wilmore, KY
Georgia Tech, Atlanta, GA
Indiana University Medical School, Indianapolis, Indiana
Medical College of Georgia, Augusta, Georgia
Tennessee Medical School, Knoxville, Tennessee
University of Illinois Medical School, Chicago, Illinois
University of Florida Medical School, Tallahassee, Florida
University of Minnesota Medical School, Minneapolis, Minnesota
George Mason University
James Madison University
IBM Corporation, Kingston, New York
Southern Wood Piedmont Co. Spartanburg, SC
Law Environmental, Inc. Atlanta, GA
BecField International, Houston, TX
Bechtel International, San Francisco, CA
E. I. DuPont de Nemours Co., Wilmington, Delaware
Northern States Power Co., Minneapolis, Minnesota
Commonwealth Edison Electrical Co., Chicago, Illinois.
Tennessee Valley Authority, Nashville, Tennessee
Georgia Electric and Power, Atlanta, Georgia
Wisconsin Power and Light, Madison, Wisconsin
Pennsylvania Power and Light, Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
Great Lakes Chemical Corp., Kansas City, Missouri
Wright Environmental, Clearwater, South Carolina
Beechams, Inc., Aiken, South Carolina
General Engineering Laboratories, Charleston, South Carolina
Charleston County Aviation Authority, South Carolina
Graves Well Drilling Co., Jackson, South Carolina
Law Environmental, Inc., Kennesaw, Georgia
Biolog Inc., Hayward, California
Australian Construction Services, Canberra, Australia
Southern Wood Piedmont, Spartanburg, South Carolina
International Utility Supply, Pensacola, Florida
Anderson Chemical Co., Macon, Georgia
Electric Power Research Institute, Palo Alto, California
Atlantic Wood Industries, Savannah, Georgia
Lockheed, Houston, Texas
RJR Nabisco, Winston-Salem, North Carolina
Exxon Corporation, Texas
EnvironTest Laboratories, Columbia, South Carolina
Southern Associated Laboratories, Georgia
Wright Environmental, Columbia, South Carolina
Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Tennessee
Environmental Protection Agency, Washington, D.C.
University of Tennessee, Knoxville, Tennessee
National Science Foundation, Washington, D.C.
Department of Energy, Washington, D.C.
National Institutes of Health, Washington, D.C.
General Engineering Laboratories, Charleston, SC
Eastman Christiansen, Houston, TX
Atlantic Wood Industries, Savannah , GA
BP Resaearch, Cleveland, OH
ASHRAE, Atlanta, GA
Golden Gem Growers, Limatilla, FL
Online Tower Services, Inc. Atlanta, GA
City of Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh, PA
Electrical Power Research Institute, Palo Alto, CA.
Chempet Research Organization, Moorpark, CA
Merck, Whitehouse Station, NJ
Brown and Caldwell, Houston, TX
English China Clay, Sandersville, GA
Humusoil, inc.,Greenville, SC
EnvirOzone, Inc.,Hilton Head, SC
Bearehaven Reclamation, Inc., Atlanta, GA
Hoechst Celanese, Charlotte, NC
HydroSolutions of California, Fair Oaks, CA
Weston, Rockville, MD
Babcock & Wilcox, Lynchburg, VA
Michelin North Americ, Inc. Greenville, SC
Coleman Research Corp., Columbia, MD
Institute for Industrial Areas, Katowice, Poland
United States Army, Fort Belvoir, MD
Naval Facilites Engineering Services Center, Port Hueneme, CA
United States Air Force, Brooks AFB, TX
Thermo Technology Ventures, Inc. Idaho Falls, ID
Phytotech, Monmouth, NJ
Battelle Pacific Northwest Laboratory, Richland, WA
Global Diagnostics, Alachua, FL
Mycogen Corporation, San Diego, CA
ECC International, Sandersville, GA
Science Applications International Corp., Gaithersburg, MD
Michelin Tires of North America, greenville, SC

Community Service:

Board of Directors for Augusta Biomedical Research Corporation Augusta, GA 1993-present.
Board of Directors for OMS, International. Greenwood, IN 1997-present.
Scientific advisor for selected Richmond County Schools.
Scientific Advisory Board for the Institute for Creation Research.
Head Judge for Microbiology State Science Fair, Microbiology Judge for Richmond County Science Fair.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Originally posted by OldRegular:
He called the Second Law of Thermodynamics the premier law of science.

And he was right about that. Correction, I don't know about being THE premier law but it is an important one.

He was wrong about QM, although his statement about God not playing dice is a profound one. Whether that statement is true or not, and if it is, whether it applies to QM or not is debateable.

I would say that even though there is lack of knowledge and determinism from our perspective, doesn't mean that the same holds true from God's perspective.

[ June 01, 2005, 08:59 AM: Message edited by: Gold Dragon ]

 

[Gold Dragon]

Originally posted by OldRegular:
Gold Dragon

You can dump on Creation Scientists all you want but here is the resume of one, Carl B. Fliermans, Ph.D. Microbiology.

Just an fyi that I have never dumped on any Creation Scientists.

I simply observed your double standard for questioning scientific authorities.

I will read and give due respect to well informed Creation Scientists and probably disagree with their findings. I have no problems with you disagreeing with the findings of other scientists. I feel no need to appeal to the letters after their name or the research centers they've worked at. Their work and the evidence speak for themselves.

I personally recognize the name of several Creation Scientists but I think it is pretty safe to say that outside of those who have studied Creation Science, Einstien is much more recognizable than Creation Scientists.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Originally posted by OldRegular:
He called the Second Law of Thermodynamics the premier law of science.

I don't know of any quotes he made specifically about the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, but this one about Thermodynamics in general is commonly cited.

TrueOrigin.org - Thermodynamics vs. Evolution

“[A law] is more impressive the greater the simplicity of its premises, the more different are the kinds of things it relates, and the more extended its range of applicability. Therefore, the deep impression which classical thermodynamics made on me. It is the only physical theory of universal content which I am convinced, that within the framework of applicability of it basic concepts will never be overthrown.” [Albert Einstein, quoted in M.J. Klein, “Thermodynamics in Einstein’s Universe”, in Science, 157 (1967), p. 509 and in Isaac Asimov’s Book of Science and Nature Quotations, p. 76.]

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by Gold Dragon:
I simply observed your double standard for questioning scientific authorities.

My recollection is that I have not mentioned any scientists, creation or otherwise, but I could be wrong. However, I suspect that your observation of a double standard was not very scientific. If it was please quote some examples of a double statdard on my part. If not withdraw your accusation.

 

[OldRegular]

Originally posted by Gold Dragon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by OldRegular:
He called the Second Law of Thermodynamics the premier law of science.

I don't know of any quotes he made specifically about the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, but this one about Thermodynamics in general is commonly cited.

TrueOrigin.org - Thermodynamics vs. Evolution

“[A law] is more impressive the greater the simplicity of its premises, the more different are the kinds of things it relates, and the more extended its range of applicability. Therefore, the deep impression which classical thermodynamics made on me. It is the only physical theory of universal content which I am convinced, that within the framework of applicability of it basic concepts will never be overthrown.” [Albert Einstein, quoted in M.J. Klein, “Thermodynamics in Einstein’s Universe”, in Science, 157 (1967), p. 509 and in Isaac Asimov’s Book of Science and Nature Quotations, p. 76.]

</font>[/QUOTE]Sounds good to me!

 

[Gold Dragon]

Here are where you accuse others of dismissing/knowing more than/questioning scientific authorities.

Originally posted by OldRegular:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Deacon:
I don't "accept" or ignore the various scientists who write on the subject.
I follow their arguments and learn.
I then am able to filter those who can be trusted, those who need further evaluation or study, and those who are no longer worth listening to.

Why accept the words of non-believers? Regretfully, there are times when they make more sense than the "Biblical literalists" do concerning our origins.

Rob

It must be nice to be so smart that we can read the writings of dozens of intelligent scientists then "filter those who can be trusted, those who need further evaluation or study, and those who are no longer worth listening to." What this means, in effect, is that you have to know more about the particular discipline than each of these men than they do. </font>[/QUOTE]

Originally posted by OldRegular:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by UTEOTW:
Well, they are mixing up their terminology there. A singularity has no dimensions. It is a point. An atomic nucleus has small but real spacial dimensions.ments on the implications of ontogeny as discussed above?

It is thrilling to communicate with someone who can dismiss so-called experts so easily.

Do you have a reference that proves a singularity has no dimensions?

Thermodynamicist Roy E. Peacock in his A Brief History of Eternity defines a singularity as "a point at which all known laws no longer apply; they break down." If that is true we really can't say much about a singularity can we? </font>[/QUOTE]Here is where you do the same yourself.

Originally posted by OldRegular:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Gold Dragon:
Black holes have been indirectly observed and singularities are theoretically at the centre of a black hole as predicted by general relativity.

Isn't "theoretical" a little strong when speaking of singularities in black holes. Conceptually or hypothetically might be better. For something to advance from a hypothesis to a theory generally requires some supporting facts. There is not even general agreement on the existence of black holes. Some unexplained phenomena have been observed and black holes postulated as an explanation; sort of like the big bang. </font>[/QUOTE]I have no problems with you questioning scientific authorities because that is how science works. But you seem pretty inconsistent with your approach to this issue.

 

[OldRegular]

Gold Dragon

Here is your post of May 31, 2005 11:40 PM.

Originally posted by Gold Dragon:
OldRegular, it is interesting that you chastise Deacon and others for questioning Creation Scientist PhDs who nobody has ever heard of, while you question Albert Einstein who most consider to be one of the greatest scientists in human history.

Because you made a false charge against me I asked you to provide evidence. In your evidence posted above please note that I did not mention Creation Science or Scientists or any assertions that they make. I did not mention Albert Einstein.

I did mention thermodynamist Roy Peacock and quoted his definition of a singularity. I have no idea whether or not Peacock is associated with Creation Scientists. The only questions I raised related to the ability of some on this forum to 1] "filter those who can be trusted, those who need further evaluation or study, and those who are no longer worth listening to."; 2] incorrectly define "singularity"; and 3] use the term "theory" when hypothesis or speculation would better be more appropriate.

 

[csw419]

Has anyone mentioned abiogenesis? That's a current scientific view that is being crushed by molecular cell biology, organic chemistry and genetics. The evidence against this modern form of spontaneous generation is so overwhelming it converted a world famous atheist recently. I have this article on it for anyone who is interested: World Famous Atheist Converted by the Scientific Evidence for God.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Originally posted by Fact, Faith & Feeling:
Has anyone mentioned abiogenesis? That's a current scientific view that is being crushed by molecular cell biology, organic chemistry and genetics. The evidence against this modern form of spontaneous generation is so overwhelming it converted a world famous atheist recently. I have this article on it for anyone who is interested: World Famous Atheist Converted by the Scientific Evidence for God.

Just to clarify that Flew converted from being an atheist to a deist because he rejected the "accidentalness" of abiogenesis and believed in some form of a designer for the beginnings of life.

 

[Faith Fact Feeling]

Originally posted by Gold Dragon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Fact, Faith & Feeling:
Has anyone mentioned abiogenesis? That's a current scientific view that is being crushed by molecular cell biology, organic chemistry and genetics. The evidence against this modern form of spontaneous generation is so overwhelming it converted a world famous atheist recently. I have this article on it for anyone who is interested: World Famous Atheist Converted by the Scientific Evidence for God.

Just to clarify that Flew converted from being an atheist to a deist because he rejected the "accidentalness" of abiogenesis and believed in some form of a designer for the beginnings of life. </font>[/QUOTE]Correct, and I discuss this in my article. The point I am making is that the chemical origin of life necessary for a naturalistic origin is devoid of merit given the multiple discoveries at the cell level in the last 30 years.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Originally posted by Faith, Fact & Feeling:

Correct, and I discuss this in my article. The point I am making is that the chemical origin of life necessary for a naturalistic origin is devoid of merit given the multiple discoveries at the cell level in the last 30 years.

While the evidence available for abiogenesis theory is currently very recent and poorly supported, Flew's rejection does not make it devoid of merit.

There are many scientists who do not trust current abiogenesis theory because of its weak evidential support at this time. Flew made headlines because he rejected atheism due to this rejection of abiogenesis, not because he rejected the theory.

Which discoveries at the cell level are you referring to?

 

[Faith Fact Feeling]

Hey Gold Dragon. I would agree, Flew’s rejection is just what it is. But it is a the rejection of a world famous atheist that spent 66 years of his life refuting the existence of God based on the lack of scientific evidence. He basically recanted his life’s work based on it. Some people find that significant. But in general, abiogenesis is a hypothesis (not a theory) that never has had any merit scientifically, it just took Flew a long time to figure that out.

The cell biology data I am referring to is what all the buzz is about in ID. Here is an excerpt from an answer I gave to a biology student’s question that came in on our site:

Did you know that there are millions of molecular machines in
each and every living cell performing thousands of functions every second?
Did you know these molecular machine systems are using billions of pieces
of information from the most advanced data storage media in the known
universe (DNA)? Did you know that 4 billion of these molecular machine
system driven; information packed cells will fit in a thimble? Did you know
that each one is thousands of times more complex than our most advanced
spacecraft? Did you know that science cannot even account for even the
rudimentary assemblage of the mere building blocks (proteins) of these
systems? The proteins are actually coded for in DNA and constructed by
advanced molecular machine factories that translate and transcribe RNA
fragments they harvest from DNA. After that they use these fragments to
construct and fold proteins into useful molecular components that are then
shuttled to the appropriate place in the cell where they are needed at exactly
the time they are needed? Whew!!! That is just a sampling of the complexities
of life.

It is an interesting issue to get your head around.

 

[UTEOTW]

Yes, but the current complexity of life, after somwehere around 4 billions years of evolution, really has little bearing on what was necessary for life to get started. Pointing out how complex current life is may give one pause, but it is not a scientific argument. It is a fallacy, an argument from incredulty.

The latest research has provided some promising avenues through which life could have emerged. Alas, the actual origin of life was so long ago that the actual process may never be known. There is just not enough preserved from that time. But God obviously ensured that it did happen.

Perhaps you would be interested in some of the most current theories. Hypothesis like the Lipid World or the NA world. A good overview can be found at

Cavalier-Smith, T. (2001). "Obcells as proto-organisms: Membrane heredity, lithophosphorylation, and the origins of the genetic code, the first cells, and photosynthesis." Journal of Molecular Evolution, V53(N4-5): 555-595

http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/s002390010245

Another resource would be

Segre, D., Ben-Eli, D., Deamer, D. W. and D., L. (2001). "The lipid world." Orig Life Evol Biosph, 31(1-2): 119-145.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11296516&dopt=Abstract

It would be interesting for you to review these relatively recent papers, and perhaps some of the papers that have cited them or that discuss related topics, and let us know what you think. I think you will find that avenues for abiogenesis may be better developed than you have been led to believe.

 

[Faith Fact Feeling]

Hey UTEOTW. Gold Dragon asked specifically for biology stuff, not chemistry, that is why I posted what I did. If you are familiar with OOL studies you realize the problems with assembling proteins from amino acids, let alone creating cellular factories that function with information rich instruction sets for assemblage and use within the cell. Certainly what we have today as hypothetical scenarios for even the most simplistic functioning cells is not worth much serious thought. But from a naturalistic viewpoint on origins, it is really the only avenue of research, thus its existence.

 

[Faith Fact Feeling]

UTEOTW,

Per your request I reviewed your articles. Membrane like structures are light years away from our simplest conception of a functioning cell. The production of a “film” of material in natural processes is not a new discovery. All the pressure from the ID community is really putting these guys into overdrive on this issue. Plus, I have not reviewed their experimental apparatus, so even that could be (and probably is) an unrealistic assemblage, just as in the Miller experiment with amino acids. Even if it is feasible, it is of little consequence, since this is not even close to addressing the full thrust of the challenge of creating functioning cells from chemicals using natural processes. Furthermore, their claim of selective processes is suspect. Selection cannot work unless information storage and replication capabilities are present. So their claim of selective processes at work here will not stand up to empirical rigor. The chicken and egg thing here is how you get the massive amount of improvement necessary to step up to the cell level, without cellular function. I’m not suggesting you have to have something as complex as DNA to store such info, but you would need a way of storing the constrained structural specifications. But since DNA underpins life as we know it now, it would probably make sense to pursue it from that angle. In addition, you still need a mechanistic functionality that reproduces this and creates a cellular copy. In the simplest cells we have today that is accomplished by a whole host of molecular machinery that know what to do, where to do it, how to do it, and when to do it. It is much more complex than simple chemistry. I am wondering though, if you are a Christian, why would you want to believe in something like this that is so far out there on the speculation side, and more akin to the beliefs of atheists than Christians?

FFF

 

[Faith Fact Feeling]

Originally posted by UTEOTW:
Yes, but the current complexity of life, after somwehere around 4 billions years of evolution,

The complexity of cells didn’t evolve.

really has little bearing on what was necessary for life to get started.

Evolution didn’t happen, but even if it did, it is not relevant to the origin of life.

Pointing out how complex current life is may give one pause,

Yes, it should. In fact, I think this would be a good thing for you to consider for a while.

but it is not a scientific argument.

Yes it is. If chemical processes cannot give rise to a functioning cell, then maybe the answer lies elsewhere. Of course you can still look for a natural cause, but all this has done so far is to further prove design theory. So carry on.

It is a fallacy, an argument from incredulty.

This sword cuts both ways. I believe it is you that are appealing to ignorance also. Complexity makes the case that naturalism is deficient, naturalism says we are just ignorant of how it happened. Regardless of how you approach origins you have to claim ignorance for the exact details for how it happened.

 

[Paul of Eugene]

Of course there are errors in science. Anybody who follows science at all knows that the physicists, for example, long to find a way to reconcile quantum mechanics with relativity and have not found a way to do it . . . because they are incompatible, seemingly; and yet, both produce accurate predictions and will remain the latest word from science on the subject until something better comes along.

So what?

Lots of religous folks have doctrinal errors, as well, you know. Everybody, of course, except you and me, and sometimes I wonder about you . . .