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Yeshua1

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Yet another Calvinist attack, attempting to change the subject. The Evidence has been posted and rejected by all or nearly all Calvinists. But all the rebuttals have been bogus.

From does not mean before, rich in faith does not mean to be rich in faith, and the noun salvation should not be turned into a verb (saved).

Who/why are they the ones rich in faith?

The same ones whom God chose beforehand.appointed unto salvation in christ, as its His will and work that they heard and believed the message of the Cross?

Why in a crowd of sinners, some get saved, many stay lost?

God makes sure those whom he knew and predestined to get saved by the preaching of the Cross will get saved!

And you still have yet to show us the creditials that will allow you to take to task those "bogus" scholars on the esv/Niv translation teams!

Have you even bothered to check what they actually believed, as most on Niv team were neither reformed/calvinists!
 

Rippon

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Likewise, the ESV, RSV and RSVCE have "to be saved" at 2 Thessalonians 2:13, but again the new versions (NRSV, NRSVA, and NRSVCE)
The ESV first came out in 2001 and has minor updates since then --the latest was in 2011.

The NRSV, NRSVA and NRSVCE were all published in the 1990's.

So the ESV is the new boy on the block --not the older versions you mentioned.
 

RLBosley

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You partially answered it. The marketing arm did a lot to propel it forward.However, a major thrust was the castigation of the NIVI which was only released in the UK. That was the precursor of the TNIV. The latter was boycotted and vilified by World Magazine in true rag-style fashion.

I agree. I made a thread or two demonstrating that the NASBU using more natural English in comparison with the ESV in numerous places.

Well, that's a given.

Many go for the hype and trust big names who say it's the best thing since sliced bread.

I said before that the ESV was promoted by demeaning the NIV in its various forms.

People believe the mantra that it is "essentially literal." Although, as Moises Silva has said:"The unwary reader can hardly suspect how many major syntactical transformations are adopted by the ESV."

Me too. I have made many thread demonstrating that the ESV uses poor English. It's just unnecessarily awkward.

The revisers have made some baby steps to improve it. But it is too incremental. A whole devoted block of time needs to be devoted to the project. But,as I've also pointed out, if they do the necessary work it will look too much like the NIV --and they can't have that! :laugh:

The ESV is perfectly sound theologically and a better choice than the KJV,NKJ or Message. But the NIV and NLT will continue to outsell it.


So mostly it was the combination of really good marketing plus an alternative to the newer NIVs. Makes sense. I just thought there would be something more than good marketing behind it that I was missing.
 

Yeshua1

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So mostly it was the combination of really good marketing plus an alternative to the newer NIVs. Makes sense. I just thought there would be something more than good marketing behind it that I was missing.

About same reasons why the Niv took off earlier!

Big publisher behind both of them, wanted to get it into church cuuriculums, had big names supporting them, and both are good translations!
 

Rippon

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About same reasons why the Niv took off earlier!

Big publisher behind both of them, wanted to get it into church cuuriculums, had big names supporting them, and both are good translations!
Not at all. When the NIV came out in the 70's, the marketing arm did not demonize any other translation or actively urge any boycotts.

The very basic premise of the ESV and to a lesser extent, the HCSB was to combat what was thought to be a liberal, feminist, agenda-driven Bible translation. The ESV was published slightly earlier than the TNIV to make a sort of preventive strike.
 
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