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Eternal Punishment Versus Eternal Torment
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Asked and answered dozens of times. All these wastrels have is falsehood and obfuscation.
Folks, put on your thinking caps and search scripture and find where anyone has been, past tense, thrown into the Lake of Fire.
That is why Jesus warned us so much, as its eternal in duration
Annialation would be a heretical view though
You want to know if the False prophet and the Antichrist are still in the Lake of Fire, more than 1000 years after they were thrown in? Please cite the scripture that says they are already in the Lake of Fire?
I missed where you cited the verse.
Oh what intellectual depth, no need to address the reasons why ET is only a possibility and not doctrine explicitly taught from scripture. Nope, all we need is to scream and shout and wave arms and run about....
5 point Gillinist
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Deflection rather than contrition, brilliant!
5 point Gillinist
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Asked now twice to provide the scripture reference where anyone, spiritual entity or human has been, past tense, thrown into the Lake of Fire.
Still no answer, only one deflection after another. Brilliant!
I asked the question in posts # 46 and 48.
Is it true not one Calvinist knows that the Lake of Fire is said to be a future punishment? Not one replied to Jesusfan with kindly information concerning the Lake of Fire. Or is it just possible they know the truth, but allow falsehood to stand unchallenged. Do they teach Christ has already returned? Lord knows....
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Piper 2
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He goes on these weird hunts to see if anyone believes his little unique things..
Piper 2
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Exactly. I don't know what Van is trying to prove, maybe that people suffer for only a little while? From his initial post, "suggests that the torment will be limited so that someone who died in unbelief at an early age will not suffer the same as someone who denied access to God's truth to children." So, he seems to be saying that some people will only suffer for a little while, and others longer, without actually saying that. He talks in circles some times. And I generally stay away from this forum for that very purpose. I am so tired of his pontificating. he thinks he is the only person in the world who interprets the bible correctly. And because he is a moderator, he can put forward any weird interpretation he wants without any repurcussions.
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Why does Piper 2 not know? God can destroy, end the existence of, the soul in Gehenna. Did I say the bible teaches that He does? Nope. But that is the claim of the false teacher who posts falsehoods to hide truth. I said people do not receive the same punishment in the afterlife, as the punishment of some will be more tolerable than for others. Did Piper2 acknowledge this truth, or did he ascribe to me something he conjured up from imagination. Next, he claims to be a mind reader. I kid you not.
This is the sort of Tommy-rot up with I must put. Here is what I actually said:
Nothing in scripture precludes "Eternal Torment" of humans in the Lake of Fire. However, the concept that God's punishment fits the crime, some punishment is more tolerable than other, suggests that the torment will be limited so that someone who died in unbelief at an early age will not suffer the same as someone who denied access to God's truth to children. People who take one side or the other are long on dogmatic claims and short on exegetical insight. Recall that the punishment for those who did not see the miracles of Jesus will suffer a more tolerable punishment. Matthew 10:15, Luke 10:14. Eternal torment is a one size fits all dogma, not well supported in scripture. But to claim it is not a possibility is just as dogmatic.
Nothing in scripture precludes "Eternal Torment" of humans in the Lake of Fire. However, the concept that God's punishment fits the crime, some punishment is more tolerable than other, suggests that the torment will be limited so that someone who died in unbelief at an early age will not suffer the same as someone who denied access to God's truth to children. People who take one side or the other are long on dogmatic claims and short on exegetical insight. Recall that the punishment for those who did not see the miracles of Jesus will suffer a more tolerable punishment. Matthew 10:15, Luke 10:14. Eternal torment is a one size fits all dogma, not well supported in scripture. But to claim it is not a possibility is just as dogmatic.
Piper 2
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Good thing you are not a pastor. You have no idea how to cogently present truth. You talk in weird circles and dance around what you are trying to get at. Just say what you want to say. Some people will suffer more than others. This.... "suggests that the torment will be limited so that someone who died in unbelief at an early age will not suffer the same as someone who denied access to God's truth to children. " That quote is an inference taken from a truth where Jesus said it will be more tolerable for some people and applies it to two situations that are not mentioned in the Bible, that you compare to each other as a way of trying to make one look like it should be tiny suffering and the other horrendous, long term suffering. Similar to the "If a woman married 7 men, who's will she be in the resurrection," type of question.