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Eternal Punishment Versus Eternal Torment

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Van

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JesusFan said:
Are those in the Lake of Fire still existing?
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Asked and answered dozens of times. All these wastrels have is falsehood and obfuscation.

Folks, put on your thinking caps and search scripture and find where anyone has been, past tense, thrown into the Lake of Fire.
 
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JesusFan

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Van said:
Asked and answered dozens of times. All these wastrels have is falsehood and obfuscation.

Folks, put on your thinking caps and search scripture and find where anyone has been, past tense, thrown into the Lake of Fire.
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You mean like False prophet and Antichrist still alive 1000 years later?
 
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JesusFan

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Some Rando said:
According to Scripture he does:
Mat 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Psa 37:10
For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be.

Psa 37:18
The LORD knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.
Psa 37:20
But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.

Psa 37:35
I have seen the wicked in great power, and spreading himself like a green bay tree.
Psa 37:36
Yet he passed away, and, lo, he was not: yea, I sought him, but he could not be found.
Psa 37:38
But the transgressors shall be destroyed together: the end of the wicked shall be cut off.
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Annialation would be a heretical view though
 
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Van

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JesusFan said:
You mean like False prophet and Antichrist still alive 1000 years later?
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You want to know if the False prophet and the Antichrist are still in the Lake of Fire, more than 1000 years after they were thrown in? Please cite the scripture that says they are already in the Lake of Fire?
 
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JesusFan

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Van said:
You want to know if the False prophet and the Antichrist are still in the Lake of Fire, more than 1000 years after they were thrown in? Please cite the scripture that says they are already in the Lake of Fire?
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They are there and still being tormented so are still alive
 
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Van

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JesusFan said:
They are there and still being tormented so are still alive
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I missed where you cited the verse.

Oh what intellectual depth, no need to address the reasons why ET is only a possibility and not doctrine explicitly taught from scripture. Nope, all we need is to scream and shout and wave arms and run about....
 
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JesusFan

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Van said:
I missed where you cited the verse.

Oh what intellectual depth, no need to address the reasons why ET is only a possibility and not doctrine explicitly taught from scripture. Nope, all we need is to scream and shout and wave arms and run about....
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Jesus answered it for us, as lake of Fire will be eternal
 
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Van

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JesusFan said:
Jesus answered it for us, as lake of Fire will be eternal
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Asked now twice to provide the scripture reference where anyone, spiritual entity or human has been, past tense, thrown into the Lake of Fire.

Still no answer, only one deflection after another. Brilliant!

I asked the question in posts # 46 and 48.

Is it true not one Calvinist knows that the Lake of Fire is said to be a future punishment? Not one replied to Jesusfan with kindly information concerning the Lake of Fire. Or is it just possible they know the truth, but allow falsehood to stand unchallenged. Do they teach Christ has already returned? Lord knows....
 
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Piper 2

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JesusFan said:
That is why Jesus warned us so much, as its eternal in duration
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Exactly. I don't know what Van is trying to prove, maybe that people suffer for only a little while? From his initial post, "suggests that the torment will be limited so that someone who died in unbelief at an early age will not suffer the same as someone who denied access to God's truth to children." So, he seems to be saying that some people will only suffer for a little while, and others longer, without actually saying that. He talks in circles some times. And I generally stay away from this forum for that very purpose. I am so tired of his pontificating. he thinks he is the only person in the world who interprets the bible correctly. And because he is a moderator, he can put forward any weird interpretation he wants without any repurcussions.
 
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