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I understood all of what was said, no need to ask forgiveness. There is nothing in Scripture that says that at that point, a person receiving Christ, may not even love Him. This is why I gave you the text of 1 Cor. 16:22. Such a person would prove lost.

Are you implying that a saved person may or may not love God?

Paul mentions the unsaved as a warning concerning not being deceived in his letters to the churches. It is the same language here. He.does this often enough, it is not unusual, and he does so again in 1 Cor. 16:22.

All of this is a given. All the lost hate God pre-conversion, all the converted love God at conversion. A person loves Christ at the moment he or she is a babe in Christ and so too the mature in Christ.

No, I do not believe you have been misunderstood but your last statement above shows a clear objective of your thread, a straw man and polemic against the DoG. What you are presenting is what appears to be you thinking you've found something that does away with the teachings of those who adhere to this Biblical doctrine.

That is quite the contrary my friend.

The Reformed (I use this to describe cals/DoG folks as well) believe all those outside of Christ are at enmity with God and hostile in their minds toward Him, Romans 8:7, Col. 1:21, cannot please Him, Romans 8:8, and cannot receive anything from Him until conversion, 1 Cor. 2:14. None who are lost seek God, none are righteous etc, Romans 3:10ff. This all demonstrates without the intervention of God, that man, in his fallen state cannot love God until God does a work of the Spirit in the heart. When we see such a person come to please God, love God, seek after God then this is evidence of conversion. Regeneration is a necessity for any person to love God.

 

You're amiss here on Hebrews 12:14. 'No man (or 'no one')' is not referencing another party outside of the context of this letter, but is addressing those to whom this letter is written specifically. It is a caveat, warning, it isn't entailing witnessing to others, and the context does not even remotely support your theory here.

 

Hi brother,

We love Christ as a sure result of becoming born from above, not prior to being born again. "We love Him because he first loved us", here we see both the cause and effect, that is the love of Christ toward us produces the sure effect of a love by His people for Him. The cause and effect relationship is clearly laid out in the key word of the verse "because" as is the sequence in time of Him first loving us, then we love Him. All true believers will love the Lord Jesus Christ after, but not prior to being born again. Prior to being born again, our natural man the flesh has nothing in us that is capable of loving Him.

 

Good, I would think all of us would agree with this and see this as a given, as this is Biblical. It looks like your implication that those who agree with TULIP to believe otherwise is simply a misnomer.