That is why a son father arrangement does not occur in heaven
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Eternal Subordination of the Son. Biblical?
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He was in heaven while on the earth as well
It does, its just that you refused to accept it!
Is the son from the father, then?
Does the Son have a beginning in Heaven before earth?
It does. The Father sends the Son; the Son does not send the Father.
never had a beginning, as he is eternal!
then how can one be a father and one a son?
how about God came himself as a son of man?
Its called the Kenosis
Philippians 2
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Notice: the Father did not humble Jesus but He humbled Himself (being equal with God)
Then the Father was greater (in rank) than He.
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
But this was temporary:
Hebrews 2:9 But we do see Him who has been made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
Philippians 2
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Notice: the Father did not humble Jesus but He humbled Himself (being equal with God)
Then the Father was greater (in rank) than He.
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
But this was temporary:
Hebrews 2:9 But we do see Him who has been made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
I think we need to be careful here to avoid the errors of Modalism and Patripassionism. God came in the Person of His Son.
I agree, God who we designate as the Son came in Person. Yet He was in Heaven while a human.
The Godhead was not on the cross but God was. separable but unity.
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Yes. Not at issue. He "was God." And in that He is immutable. John 1:1-2 does not say "Father" but explicitly "with God." He was both "with God" and "was God" prior to creation and His incarnation.
He was also someone other than God and God too. I understand Him to be the eternal Son of God. God being the eternal Father after who His incarnate Son will be called (Isaiah 9:6).
Because they just are! How can God be eternal, with no beginning?
then you mischaracterize the relationship.
A Father is normally before a Son. therefore in Heaven their's is not a Father Son
Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and God has always been His father!
There is no time involved in their relationship, as both have always been God!
no, He is God
Hebrews says
Heb 1:5
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For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Then one cannot be a son,
The Second person of the Triune God!