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Eternal Subordination of the Son. Biblical?
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Unto us a son is given, unto us a child is born!
that is right He wasn't a son until He became a human son
37818
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Hebrews 13:8 speaks of the incarnate resurrected and glorified man Jesus Christ.
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Psalms 2:7 is a prophecy of His bodily resurrection Acts 13:33. And He was the Son prior to begin begotten, so it says. "Thou art my Son, . . ."
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Yes after the incarnation, where He became the Son of man too. John 3:13.
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Prior to the incarnation, John 1:14, He was both "with God" and "was God," John 1:1-2.
In Isaiah 9:6 a prophecy of His incarnation, He was to be called "eternal Father." (John 14:9, just "Father.")
Now if the Son of God has a beginning and His father as the Father has a beginning, then both the Son and Father are forever finite, temporal attributes.
In Isaiah 9:6 a prophecy of His incarnation, He was to be called "eternal Father." (John 14:9, just "Father.")
Now if the Son of God has a beginning and His father as the Father has a beginning, then both the Son and Father are forever finite, temporal attributes.
Same as Hebrews,,, this day shows when He was begotten as a son
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Yes, He was always fully God. He was also always not God being always being "with God." The text emphasises this. John 1:1 in John 1:2. The Father is God. The Son of God is fully God with the Father and always was so. In the incarnation He changed how He was "with God." But the Son being fully God with the Father never changed. John 1:1, "with God," "was God." John 1:2, "with God." To be with someone is not to be that someone.
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He was the Son before He was begotten, that being resurrected from the dead. Acts 13:33.
He was God and Man ,, same as you are soul and body
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He in the incarnation became man. Man is not God. God is immutable. He changed from not being man to being man. He changed in becoming a man and did not cease being God who does not change. In how He was not God, being "with God" changed.
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No. Having a soul and body is not the same as Christ being both man and God in the incarnation. Before the incarnation He was both the Son and God with God the Father. In the incarnation He became also the Son of man.
He did not change as God, He is God and man. being man does not mean being less God
it is exactly the same
Heb 2:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
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Yes. He was always God. And He was always the Son of God. Only how He was the Son of God changed in Him becoming flesh (John 1:14).
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Unlike man, He prior to becoming man was always the unique Son of God. He always was a soul.
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nope, He was only a son of God as son of man