Jesus is the eternal Son because His humanity began on the day of His conception and now goes on into eternity.
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Eternally Begotten of the Father....or not.
- Thread starter JonC
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One more time we (OK - I) try to compress eternity into the human life of Jesus Christ, God come in the flesh Who entered the time continuum to redeem us.
RSV Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who for a little while was made lower than the angels, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for every one.
RSV Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who for a little while was made lower than the angels, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for every one.
Dave G
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OK...so, have we cleared up the usage of the term, "eternally begotten of the Father" yet?
By the way Hank, I disagree that He is the eternal Son because His humanity began on the day of His conception;
As I see Scripture stating, He is the Son, even before He came as "the Son of Man" and was born of a virgin.
Thanks for clarifying.
May God bless you sir.
By the way Hank, I disagree that He is the eternal Son because His humanity began on the day of His conception;
As I see Scripture stating, He is the Son, even before He came as "the Son of Man" and was born of a virgin.
Thanks for clarifying.
May God bless you sir.
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Is that when God became the Father?
Dave G
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No, He is still saying Christ's sonship began with the incarnation.He already corrected himself.
No, I am saying Christs sonship is timeless from the point of view of eternity just as Christ died for our sins from before the world began.
37818
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That is not what was done. Jesus has a mother and a human geneology (Luke's account). And as the Christ His legal human father He has a geneolog (Matthew's account). Only as the Son of God has no geneoloy! Hebrews 7:3.
It may seem a minor point, but it's important. His sonship has nothing to do with the incarnation. He is the Son by the virtue of His Person.
It is related to the following question:
When did the Son of God save you?
1. When you believed.
2. At Calvary.
3. From the foundation of the world.
All are true.
There was a point within the time continuum when the Logos became a human being.
Galatians 4:4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Before that point in time He was not human. But I don't object to calling the Logos the Son of God because He emanates from the innermost being of the Father eternally.
But He didn't become human until Galatians 4:4.
I am not going to say it anymore.
37818
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1. When you believed.
3. From the foundation of the world.
And
2: At Calvary
3. From the foundation of the world.
Are two points in time (not three).
At Calvary occurred from the foundation of the world. April 6th 30 AD.
Any point in time after the creation of man is from the foundation of the world.
Two references to consider, Luke 11:50 and Hebrews 9:26.
And He (Jesus) has always been the Son. There was never a time when He was not the Son. This is not a minor point in which it is OK for Christians to disagree over.
37818
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The issue is the false teaching that the Son was somehow eternally generated (caused). This error gave rise to Arianism. And in this modern day, some Trinitarians denying the concept of the eternal Son on account of this error.
The Son was never "caused". The Son proceeds forth from the Father as part of the economy within the Trinity. There is a categorical distinction between begotten in an economic sense and cause. I have been reading your posts and have not responded to them because you repeatedly fail to see the difference.
I get what you're saying. You're in error.
No I am not.
Dave G
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Perhaps, perhaps not.
Emanate:
mid 18th century: from Latin emanat- ‘flowed out,’ from the verb emanare, from e- (variant of ex- ) ‘out’ + manare ‘to flow.’
" Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me." ( John 8:42 )
" I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father." ( John 16:28 )
Aaron, in a rough sense I have to agree.
Why not let Hank explain?
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Being the only begotten of the Father would mean that he was eternally God, and thus was the Creator of all things!
The Biblical Greek meaning to that term does not refer to a beginning though, but to endless proceeding forth from the Father!