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Evangelicals and RCC working together
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That is a document, not an organization,
Are you asking about the only only organization mentioned in the article, the ecumenical 'Moral Majority' of Jerry Falwell?
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I remember Curtis Hutson of Sword of the Lord storming out of a conference in the 1980s when he realized he'd be on the platform with Phyllis Schlafly, a Roman Catholic conservative.
The Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 1Ti. 4:1-2.
1 Corinthians 3:11-15
11 Other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by FIRE(Isaiah 33:10-14); and the FIRE shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by FIRE.
More than opinion is revelation. Matthew 24 has been LITERALLY fulfilled. In the year 70AD, verses 1 and 2 were fulfilled with the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem and the dispersion of the Jews throughout the world during 1878 years of severe plagues and curses, in addition to insufferable pain, according to Deuteronomy 28:15-68, 53 verses of strong punishments.
Now verses 3 to 8 are being fulfilled, the beginning of sorrows, and the decay of the Churches with the development of apostasies and iniquities-verses 9 to 14.
Then, the last week-Daniel 9:27- is about to start and with this event the persecutions of the first half of the week-42 months-Revelation 13:5-, culminating with the establishment of the Abomination of Desolation for 1,290 days in the second half of the week (1260 plus 30 days)-verses 15 to 27 combined with Daniel 12:11 and 11:v.31. It is the END of THIS world and a sign of the coming of JESUS: Matthew 24:3.
Blessed is he who waits and comes to the 1335 days, 45 days after finishing the Abomination of Desolation.
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1 Corinthians 3:11-15
11 Other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by FIRE(Isaiah 33:10-14); and the FIRE shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by FIRE.
More than opinion is revelation. Matthew 24 has been LITERALLY fulfilled. In the year 70AD, verses 1 and 2 were fulfilled with the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem and the dispersion of the Jews throughout the world during 1878 years of severe plagues and curses, in addition to insufferable pain, according to Deuteronomy 28:15-68, 53 verses of strong punishments.
Now verses 3 to 8 are being fulfilled, the beginning of sorrows, and the decay of the Churches with the development of apostasies and iniquities-verses 9 to 14.
Then, the last week-Daniel 9:27- is about to start and with this event the persecutions of the first half of the week-42 months-Revelation 13:5-, culminating with the establishment of the Abomination of Desolation for 1,290 days in the second half of the week (1260 plus 30 days)-verses 15 to 27 combined with Daniel 12:11 and 11:v.31. It is the END of THIS world and a sign of the coming of JESUS: Matthew 24:3.
Blessed is he who waits and comes to the 1335 days, 45 days after finishing the Abomination of Desolation.
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No dude, the anathema was given to the original heretics that broke away from the Church founding their own churches.
The Catholic Church uses the term separated brethren for those subsequent believers in those break away Churches.
I spend more time in fellowship with Protestants than I do with Catholics, there’s no damper.
There is no human organisation but we brought together by the one Spirit, our work is in the same vineyard of The Father. In The Lord’s Name on we begin our day and when we go to rest.
The Father prepares our day, so don’t be surprised if we meet other workers, it will happen all the time.
atpollard
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I know the Catholic Church no longer makes a big deal about it, but I don't think that is accurately how that sort of thing really works. Just to use another example, is it now OK to adopt the JW stance that Jesus is not God (Arianism) since we are not the original Arians so the "anathema" no longer applies?
[I do, however, acknowledge that I cannot be excommunicated from a church to which I am not a member ... but I think "anathema" is stronger than applying to members only. I think it still applied during the Counter-Reformation.]
Shalom [Peace]
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Christina1
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I'm very supportive of Christians working together and finding common ground on things that matter to them. Our doctrinal differences, theological positions, and opinions, shouldn't separate us from each other. There's enough division in the world as it is. If it is true that we are brothers and sisters of one body, then we shouldn't be afraid to respectfully work with each other in love and fellowship.
If you are not evangelical - then what do you consider yourself?
When it comes to excommunication - Which I assume you meant that a church can keep you out of Heaven - then NO church can excommunicate me!
Actually doctrine and theological will separate us. If a church is "open and affirming" I certainly will not worship such a church
Christina1
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It's okay for us to be who we are and hold the positions that we hold. I just don't think it should be a stumbling block.
For example, I'm not Baptist but I'm here. I'm not afraid to reach out in fellowship and pray with other Christians who are different than me. I think being open and affirming can be a good thing sometimes. It can change someone else's life. I don't know everything about the Bible. So for example, maybe there's something I could learn from a Baptist. Working with other people who are different than us can really help us grow.
But I guess the dark side is that our respective traditions could be at risk of being watered down if we are too open. So that wouldn't be good. We don't want to forget who we are in the process of being open. My position is that we can have both. We can have our doctrine and we can also have growth working with others who are different.
For example, I'm not Baptist but I'm here. I'm not afraid to reach out in fellowship and pray with other Christians who are different than me. I think being open and affirming can be a good thing sometimes. It can change someone else's life. I don't know everything about the Bible. So for example, maybe there's something I could learn from a Baptist. Working with other people who are different than us can really help us grow.
But I guess the dark side is that our respective traditions could be at risk of being watered down if we are too open. So that wouldn't be good. We don't want to forget who we are in the process of being open. My position is that we can have both. We can have our doctrine and we can also have growth working with others who are different.
atpollard
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Particular Baptist.
I would say that Particular Baptists are also Evangelical:
From this link:
All of us, as evangelical Christians, believe in 1) the supreme authority of inspired Scripture for faith and practice, 2) basic Christian orthodoxy as embodied in the consensus of the church fathers and reformers about the deity and humanity of Jesus Christ, the Trinity, etc., 3) a supernatural worldview, 4) salvation by God’s grace through faith alone, 5) personal conversion as normative for authentic Christianity, 6) the cross of Jesus Christ as the only means of salvation and as vicarious atonement, 7) the virgin birth, resurrection and visible return of Jesus Christ.
Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by GOD the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ,...
Jude 1:3-5 & 8-13 & 16-19
3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our GOD into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord GOD and our Lord Jesus Christ.
5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
8 These filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the Devil he disputed about the body of Moses(the people of Israel, until his death), durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time(Matthew 24:10 to 13), who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.(Mattew 13:27-30)
19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
1Corinthians 13:4-13
4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the Truth;
7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Christina1
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I feel like a Baptist, a Mormon, a Catholic, an Evangelical, and a Methodist should all be able to work in a soup kitchen together. All five of these people come from very different groups. They are never going to agree with each other when it comes to certain doctrines. They don't have to feel comfortable worshiping God in each other's churches. And they probably shouldn't. But when it comes to common ground issues, why not work together? We're not as different from each other as we might think.
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