Evangelicals least likely to support politicians & policies that reflect Jesus' msg.

[carpro]

Even more troubling are Christians who post and believe this "stuff."

One just has to wonder why a Christian would post such athiest propaganda, and agree with it, on a Christian forum.

I see you're wondering the same thing.

 

[InTheLight]

One just has to wonder why a Christian would post such athiest propaganda, and agree with it, on a Christian forum.

Maybe they don't quite buy into it and are looking for a reasonable rebuttal.

 

[carpro]

Maybe they don't quite buy into it and are looking for a reasonable rebuttal.

Reread post #1.

MP clearly said:

Sad to say, but from what I see, it sounds about right.

And there have been plenty of "reasonable" responses. He hasn't indicated he agreed with ony of those, just the conclusions drawn by the athiest.

 

[Arbo]

He's simply been successfully indoctrinated.

 

[InTheLight]

OK people, the entire original post is a sham.

Here's the statement by the original poster and a link to the article and the opening lines of the article:

Magnetic Poles: Pew study finds evangelicals least likely to support politicians and policies that reflect the actual teachings of Jesus.

Huffington Post article: The results from a recent poll published by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life (http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Tea-Party-and-Religion.aspx) reveal what social scientists have known for a long time: White Evangelical Christians are the group least likely to support politicians or policies that reflect the actual teachings of Jesus.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-zuckerman/why-evangelicals-hate-jes_b_830237.html

Ahhh...but here's the rub. If you connect to the Pew Research link in the Huffingpost article you will go here:

http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Tea-Party-and-Religion.aspx

And guess what? The actual Pew Research article is devoid of any of the social issues mentioned like "corporate greed and capitalistic excess", opposition "to institutional help for the nation's poor" "despising food stamp programs, subsidies for schools, hospitals, job training." Simply aren't a part of the Pew Research study. Go look and see.

So the statement "Pew study finds evangelicals least likely to support politicians and policies that reflect the actual teachings of Jesus." is absolutely false.

 

[carpro]

OK people, the entire original post is a sham.

Here's the statement by the original poster and a link to the article and the opening lines of the article:

Magnetic Poles: Pew study finds evangelicals least likely to support politicians and policies that reflect the actual teachings of Jesus.

Huffington Post article: The results from a recent poll published by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life (http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Tea-Party-and-Religion.aspx) reveal what social scientists have known for a long time: White Evangelical Christians are the group least likely to support politicians or policies that reflect the actual teachings of Jesus.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-zuckerman/why-evangelicals-hate-jes_b_830237.html

Ahhh...but here's the rub. If you connect to the Pew Research link in the Huffingpost article you will go here:

http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/Tea-Party-and-Religion.aspx

And guess what? The actual Pew Research article is devoid of any of the social issues mentioned like "corporate greed and capitalistic excess", opposition "to institutional help for the nation's poor" "despising food stamp programs, subsidies for schools, hospitals, job training." Simply aren't a part of the Pew Research study. Go look and see.

So the statement "Pew study finds evangelicals least likely to support politicians and policies that reflect the actual teachings of Jesus." is absolutely false.

Of course. I alluded to tthe fact that his source was not PEW, but Phil Zuckerman via Huffpo earlier.

I believe the only one that doesn't get it is MP and I believe he knew it and did it deliberately.

 

[Aaron]

Pew study finds evangelicals least likely to support politicians and policies that reflect the actual teachings of Jesus. Sad to say, but from what I see, it sounds about right.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-zuckerman/why-evangelicals-hate-jes_b_830237.html

Jesus taught us to pervert justice?

I'll respond, not because I think MP can be converted from his errors, but because many well-meaning Christians are confused about Christ and the Law.

A.W. Pink has the best treatment:

http://www.pbministries.org/books/pink/Sermon/sermon.htm

Read chapters 6 through 21.

 

[Sonjeo]

And guess what? The actual Pew Research article is devoid of any of the social issues mentioned like "corporate greed and capitalistic excess", opposition "to institutional help for the nation's poor" "despising food stamp programs, subsidies for schools, hospitals, job training." Simply aren't a part of the Pew Research study. Go look and see.

The poll from the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life concerns how positions of conservative Christians compare to the Tea Party. The poll is probably more about the Tea Party than anything else and it is true that those issues quoted above are not part of the polling. The author of this article in question tacks on assumptions so that he can write a provocative article.
Having said that however, the positions that the article puts the religious right in are from my experience fairly close to the truth and it is a shame and a detriment to the witness of Christianity that such an article can be articulated the way it is. The fact that many in the religious right oppose the new healthcare law, giving desperate help to low-income and poor families, is of particular disgrace.
If in the near future Christians are persecuted i'm sure God does not want us persecuted for many of the useless misled positions presented in the article but rather because we would not relent of the love of God insisting on the evangelization of others. I believe as it is now the enemy is getting unecessary fodder for his fire and I pray that wiser heads will step up and prevail in the religious right

 

[Archie the Preacher]

It is a widespread view

The twisting of the Good News of Jesus Christ into a leftist social program for curing the ills of the poor. Ask any non-believer and they will happily tell you that is the essence of Christianity.

Seems like some self professed Christians are swallowing that nonsense as well.

God is always ready to forgive, but He demands repentance as a basis. No repentance, no forgiveness. However, God even gives us the benefit of the doubt regarding forgiveness. I know for a fact God forgives and loves me even though He and I both know I'm going to commit some of the same sins again later.

What I find nearly equally amusing in the op-ed piece tarring Christians is the observed fact that Conservative leaning U. S. citizens give far and away more to charity and other 'good works for the poor' programs than Liberals do. Liberals practice good will by raising taxes and filtering 'alms' through the government; making sure they never have to get their hands dirty or associate with the underclass they are claiming to help.

 

[Salty]

Sorry, friend, but Jesus didn't preach "socialism" or even the a "social gospel" ...

Dragoon, excellent post - (If you havent read his entire post, I reccommend you do)

Great passage in Luke 3:6-16. Jesus is telling us to help others - as individuals and the main point - verse 8 - it is your life that must change...

It is not so much what or how much we do to help others, it is why we are helping others....

Let the Govt build the roads, stand the Army and deliever the mail, otherwise lets keep II Thes 3: 10-13 in mind.

Salty

 

[mandym]

The fact that many in the religious right oppose the new healthcare law, giving desperate help to low-income and poor families, is of particular disgrace.

How so? Why is it in minds of people like yourself government is the only true answer and will not entertain anything else. I am sorry but your accusation of it as a disgrace is unnecessarily caustic and without any real merit.

 

[billwald]

Any of you in a church that helps non-members with medical bills? Mine doesn't.

 

[Sonjeo]

How so? Why is it in minds of people like yourself government is the only true answer and will not entertain anything else. I am sorry but your accusation of it as a disgrace is unnecessarily caustic and without any real merit.

That is quite an assumption. To the extent you are personally prepared to carry the burden there are possiblities, most financially impractical, but considering the complexities of the endeavor that we are all a part of one way or another, why isn't government a reasonable option? What else would you like to entertain?
Sometimes it takes the caustic to reveal the callous although in this case I would say it is more of a matter of misguidance than callous unconcern.

 

[mandym]

That is quite an assumption. To the extent you are personally prepared to carry the burden there are possiblities, most financially impractical, but considering the complexities of the endeavor that we are all a part of one way or another, why isn't government a reasonable option? What else would you like to entertain?

Because it is unconstitutional and there is no doubt about that.

Sometimes it takes the caustic to reveal the callous although in this case I would say it is more of a matter of misguidance than callous unconcern.

Or rather immature demonization because one lacks any real argument.

 

[Don]

The poll from the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life concerns how positions of conservative Christians compare to the Tea Party. The poll is probably more about the Tea Party than anything else and it is true that those issues quoted above are not part of the polling. The author of this article in question tacks on assumptions so that he can write a provocative article.
Having said that however, the positions that the article puts the religious right in are from my experience fairly close to the truth and it is a shame and a detriment to the witness of Christianity that such an article can be articulated the way it is. The fact that many in the religious right oppose the new healthcare law, giving desperate help to low-income and poor families, is of particular disgrace.
If in the near future Christians are persecuted i'm sure God does not want us persecuted for many of the useless misled positions presented in the article but rather because we would not relent of the love of God insisting on the evangelization of others. I believe as it is now the enemy is getting unecessary fodder for his fire and I pray that wiser heads will step up and prevail in the religious right

Silliness. No one is against giving help to those who are truly in need. The thing that most people are against, with respect to obamacare, is the amount of "hidden fees" this bill imposes, while attempting to throw off those that point out these costs by saying they're against helping the poor....

 

[JohnDeereFan]

Pew study finds evangelicals least likely to support politicians and policies that reflect the actual teachings of Jesus. Sad to say, but from what I see, it sounds about right.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/phil-zuckerman/why-evangelicals-hate-jes_b_830237.html

So let me get this straight: they recreate Christ in their own image and then crow about how we don't agree with their Christ and you think that's a good thing?

I have to admit, the hypocrisy is amusing. First, they say we're trying to establish a theocracy because we allegedly base our political views on Christ's teaching. Then, they say that we don't really base our political views on Christ's teaching.

A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

 

[Sonjeo]

Because it is unconstitutional and there is no doubt about that.

The question of unconstitutionality involves only one provision of the bill, that of each citizen being required to carry health insurance, which has not been decided. That aside, do you support the law or again, what else do you entertain?

 

[Sonjeo]

Silliness. No one is against giving help to those who are truly in need. The thing that most people are against, with respect to obamacare, is the amount of "hidden fees" this bill imposes, while attempting to throw off those that point out these costs by saying they're against helping the poor....

Read more carefully because i never said anyone was against helping the poor but it is clear they are putting their political ideology or some point of view over the desperate needs of people and that is nearing a kind of idolatry. I notice if it is not one thing it is another. If it is not the question of one provision being unconstitutional, it is the hidden fees, anything to uphold that ideology. Let's put the needs of people above these things remembering the higher priority. There will be no perfect healthcare law

 

[FR7 Baptist]

There will be no perfect healthcare law

True, but we could get a lot closer if we stopped viewing healthcare through a capitalist lens and instituted single payer.

 

[mandym]

The question of unconstitutionality involves only one provision of the bill, that of each citizen being required to carry health insurance, which has not been decided. That aside, do you support the law or again, what else do you entertain?

No you need to answer your unnecessary demonization of those who disagree with you. You repentance is necessary here. Your behavior is ungodly