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Evolutionism, what magnitude of error?

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  1. BobRyan

    BobRyan Well-Known Member

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    Your appeal here is to the evidence - fact - authority of God's Word.

    Do you really expect to be engaged on that subject - on that basis by evolutionists? EVEN Christian evolutionists??

    Really?

    On any OTHER doctrinal error in Christianity you COULD get a Bible point ANSWERED by a Bible response. But when the error is evolutionism - you just don't see them up to the task.

    It is an error that when married to the Gospel and the Word of God results in a Bible-less response to the challenges made against it.

    Still - it is the only hope for atheists of a doctrinal counter to the clear teaching in God's Word on the doctrine of origins. And it's acceptance among Christians merely errodes their faith in God's word AND reliance upon it to make their case.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
    #61 BobRyan, Dec 10, 2004
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    Just sowing seed--

    The Holy Spirit convicts of sin, righteousness and judgement to come through The Word of God.

    Saul of Tarsus was sincerely wrong--witnessing the death of a preaching deacon and a trip to Damascus got him turned around. God uses the Apostle Paul in a mighty way. God works in mysterious ways.

    Selah,

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    #62 Bro. James, Dec 11, 2004
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    Mock-up of The Flood--

    Would be beyond our capabilities.

    God gives us min-views of the kind of power involved in such things as hurricanes, flashfloods, earthquakes, tidal waves, tornadoes, avalanches, mudslides and volcanoes.

    I have seen many different animals gathered on high ground--trying to evade the death of a rising river's flood plain.

    If we find pockets of animal fossils scattered about the earth after a worldwide flood, why would that not be expected? It probably depends on one's paradigm of evidence.


    All we can do is prostrate in awe--some bow to God--some to Mother nature--they are not the same. Mother Earth is a false god. She is also an evolutionist.

    It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the Living God.

    Selah,

    Bro. James
     
    #63 Bro. James, Dec 11, 2004
  4. Paul of Eugene

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    Well, its kind of like the magnitude of the error of Gallileo when he asserted that the earth moves and rotates, contrary to the literal teaching of scripture. Going on the assumption he was in error, he was arrested, threatened with torture, forced to recant.

    I'd say that evolutionists are just as much a threat to the establishment in some church circles as those who asserted that the earth is not the cetner of the universe in that earlier struggle against misguided orthodoxy.

    Which is to say, no threat at all, since all the religious groups survived and continued to exist even as the scientific views of Gallileo, Copernicus, and others won the hearts and minds of all the population.

    The same will occur with the views of Darwin those who follow through on his theory. They will more and more become accepted in the public mind until finally they hold near universal sway and surprisingly the churches and religous groups will continue on anyway, having forgotten their misguided zeal against the truth God has revealed through science. No doubt Satan will find some other way to devide people again when this issue is settled.
     
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    Let God be found True--and every man a liar--

    The "religionists" of the "Dark Ages" usurped the authority Jesus gave to His Church. The Holy Roman Empire was and is a spiritual wickedness in the heavenlies. They burned books and killed the true followers of Jesus and any one else who would not bow to Rome.

    They also put out false scientific statements.

    God made everything--including the laws of real science. Whence cometh false science? One clue: God does not tell falsehoods.

    God wrote the Book of Life--not "life science."
    He also wrote the physical laws of the universe--not the theories of men.

    The errors of false religion cannot be attributed to God.

    Pseudo-science also has a religion--it is called--evolution. What is religion doing in Science class? Both creation and evolution belong in Religion class--they both are accepted on faith.

    Selah,

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    #65 Bro. James, Dec 12, 2004
  6. BobRyan

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    Oh "really"?

    What NT author - what Gospel writer APPEALS to the flat earth -- to make Gospel arguments or to instruct Christian behavior THE WAY THEY do with the DEETAILS of the Creation???

    Can you think of even ONE?

    Apparently not.

    So then this leaves us asking why you would try such a ploy as a way to dodge the question of this thread?

    In fact - why is it no evolutionist is "stepping up to the plate"?

    It is "instructive" to observe the various ways to dodge the question.

    Hmm - I ask "again" can you SHOW it in the NT text as we so CLEARLY see the DETAILS explicitly mentioned in the NT regarding Gen 1-6???

    No?

    Well then why offer that as a dodge? As misdirection? as Obfuscation?

    Why not just deal with the question directly instead of using the dodge?

    Again "misdirection".

    Proof: JWs exist - and the Christian groups have still "survived".

    Catholic slaughter of Christians in the dark ages "existed" but Christian groups survive today.

    Mormons "exist" but Christian groups survive.

    Defending the error as "no error at all as long as some Christian teaching survives among some Christian some place" is hardly an objective measure of error.

    I ask again - assuming it is error - how does it stack up with other well known doctrinal errors today?

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
    #66 BobRyan, Dec 14, 2004
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    True "junk-science" is the bread-and-butter of evolutionism. But more importantly - evolutionism is the only doctrinal position available to atheists for the subject of origins.

    How BIG of an error 'results' when atheist doctrines on origins and creation are merged into the church? (assuming that one can discuss that as being an error)

    Evidently evolutionists can not even answer the question because they can not imagine the religion of atheists to be in error.

    Surely they could IMAGINE it for the sake of the question and discuss it objectively.

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
    #67 BobRyan, Dec 14, 2004
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    If you had stopped here you would have been without error. But then you posted this:


    Which puts you in exactly the same boat as those you condemn above for substituting pseudo science for real science, because the evidence is there for common descent and the evidence is there for billions of years.

    And you do it for the same reason as the ecclesiatics you condemn, that is, you refuse to accept evidence as a reason for revisiting the way you interpret scripture!

    As long as you refuse to accept evidence, your position is secure. Of course, that means you have no reason to accept scripture itself, because you would have to accept evidence to have a reason to accept scripture!
     
    #68 Paul of Eugene, Dec 17, 2004
  9. BobRyan

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    As Clarence Darrow said during his monkey trial - (where he declares his client to be guilty) that it would be a terrible thing indeed if only ONE view of origins was taught in science class - depriving the students of the science and evidence in both views.

    How sad that our atheist evolutionist friends forget this statemetn of their great icon and hero.

    Even worse - there are Christians on this board that pretend to be ignorant of that fact while holding up that same Darrow as their hero!!

    It has been shown unquestionably that evolutionism is based on faith, not fact, no junk-science not good science.

    What is even more amazing is that you can find evolutionists themselves stumbling over that fact -- unnable to resist the blunder of confessing the truth of it - when it does not suit their false god.

    So the question "remains" to be addressed by even one brave evolutionist capable of independent thought and objective thinking - WHAT IS the relative error of evolutionism (you know -- the atheist's only hope in a doctrine for origins) when mixed with the gospel?

    Surely there is an evolutionist with the capacity for independent thought and objetive reasoning that is fully capable of addressing the proposal.

    Come on -- just one. Surely you are out there.

    In Christ,

    Bob

    In Christ,

    Bob
     
    #69 BobRyan, Dec 18, 2004
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